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it is baby one very nasty game of factions, very deep and very masked at moments that it is almost impossible to track it all and just some "soda" version of history is known generally etc... it is important to look at all as one continuity and other things i said before not to repeat, with to me unknown starting point and importance of every event i.e. its proper readings factionaly (they were never same, except few conspirators hehe) and also views changed etc. but some things are visible...

you know also what i remembered, something i mentioned few times but never told you all... that de la Broquierre episode and all, man full of nice words for Serbia and then our ruler George Brankovic... of course French (despite Burgundy once being different) and worked for Bur. duke who was related and even from main French royal line... BUT in given moment France was not only in known war against English (and us all)) but also in some semi-civil war with Bertrandon's employer and duke of Burg. Philip, talking about Bons, also le Bon being in moment of his agent meeting with George, important - Brankovic (if you followed) - ta-daa allied with English and his troops even captured Jeanne Dark etc etc. if you understand, me not to waste words... so George was "nice, rich and Serbia thumbs up" for him etc. Of course we have nothing to do with Joan episode and she was our side before ) but hope you understand this as well, to extent... factions baby, factions ; Of course Philip of Burgundy later changed sides and supported new French king, his relative from main lines etc, but in given moment was with England... we also later of course supported French kings - directly from empire of heaven lovely, and i really hope people understand all theoretically

also are interesting these few moments of few French mentioned on Turk side, possibly even on Kosovo against us etc. I wrongly interpreted it as some "Templar remnants" (which was true for those who remined in regions after our crush)) but it wasn't that.... could be that France, or some French factions, allied and cooped with Turks much before than they quasi did in XVI c... so in peak of hundred years was (as explained it was continental war) maybe Frence and Genova already made some contcats and ties, partly against us as well, but this is deep subject and just as shortly.... kiss, kiss forgiven as you helped us after our return from empire of heaven

lastly and to go back earlier in time, much more pleasant... it could be that it all started with that increased desire to revive "holy roman emperor" title after long decades and when we seemed to be agreement with France and supported Stefan and Charles C. etc... but something happened then and factions created, it was almost 60years without holder, one Habsburg tried and was killed, Luxed took it and we and English fastly tied with Bavarian and that German sides etc etc. Generally it is something about it and around time of its revival - so many decades after Constantin Staufen we all turned our backs and new rivalries formed.... generally not understood enough, but as some historians called Stefan Anjou (king of Albania) intervention and all after Sicily esp. as "first European/world war" - events after 1308 and kiss-kiss on Lys but you pull out and we go to Palpatine and that side could be called "second euro/world war" in some light sense And hundred years war was part of it... some say if Ludwig lived longer it would be much more widespread potentionaly but as it was - it was localized as "Anglo-French" war so on continetal periphery but really it was continental war and we had role, but of course our factions were "good guys" ..... ...i say always, Turks ruined a lot of fun for us, but what to do now... it is XXI and it is only about Uranus, but who likes hope you can understand even closely all i talked ; ...awaiting you, and if subjects are unpleasant, something earlier maybe, Stefan was great hero ...but generally there are much intersting ones from even before so we can talk XI or XII ;

really when you arrange some pieces of puzzle correctly you reach some "eureka" moment and there is one flow of solutions and ideas and many things become clearer...

totally unimportant example but with this solutions i gave in last few posts even "trivial" things like Abraham Ortelius map map become clearer, his seemingly deep knowledge about Serbia (to repeat he put even it twice on map as rascia and Serbia, while he did not even mark some nations etc. knew our medieval cities etc) so i guess that is solved... not only that he knew about us through Italian travels but also Ortelius was Bavarian origin man, living in Spanish Neverlands, Flanders etc all once also connected with Burgundy etc. so could be said that our fame was still strong there in his times and similar. It were also lands of where "black rascia" was also widely wear, together with Spain and England, but rarley named so in France and similar Guess ex-Burgundy was place of our fame and could be connected, plus his Bavarian roots, so guess XIV events were still widely known in his time and our role "respected" or valued...

not so important but even those small things let's say solved ;... lovely stories and guess it was why HIM declared empire as well, people banged heads for long with it as it was not small thing to do in high middle ages when whole Europe was connected and it was not early middle ages when anyone could do it and papacy and "Roman" emperors role was weak - so my proposition, and not only mine is that Dushan and Ludwig had great laugh with it, but great respect from Luxemburg side which waited till our emperor gave green light again in 1355 to crown their own candidate etc etc. to stress out or underline again. lots of subjects, hope someone joins and we look at some things together...

yes, i BTW found original and much greater maps of Europe by Ortelius and talking about his "knowledge of our cities" and not to confuse some who may use it ) to say that on continental map he put some 6 cities in both Rascia and Serbia and they are something like "Taunanburg (or like) Dragusa, Kargona or Zargona or third" etc so great knowledge BUT i was talking about further maps of regions he made where he put some really obscure places and cities that did exists in our state but were already abandoned and ruined by his time, Stalac(o) etc. so great knowledge while on greater map he put some names more like from Tolkien books or never heard ones hence my laugh

BUT again his placing of small Celtic village and suburb of Singidunum on place of Belgrade, village not even known much by Romans, and not called as such by both Serbs and Huns then was shock again - and he gave correct name of it Taurunum how come and why no idea but lovely and would die to know which map or advice was base but super... would like our capital to be called Taurunum today, again sounds Tolkiensque and cool but was real name by Celts of today suburb

Château de Chenonceau, place where one tapestry is preserved depicting Kosovo battle etc... as it is medieavl-renesance made often is credited as one of preserved documents of Franco-Serb ties and similar... Revolutionaries wanted to ruin it along along other places but it was preserved due to bridge mostly also was known place of origies in XVI c etc...

BUT with this knowledge and all considered could be said that tapestry - similar to Bayeux one which depicts great victory of our pals Normans against Dannes - this one is not at all sign of "Franco-Serb" ties but included in royal "decor" in those years to represent great Frnaco-Turk victory over Serbs and English so be careful with interprets and ways you see history most seriously

but lovely... historians say to me that maybe much more places in France (often ruined as well as archives) had more facts and maybe material evidence of some our role and involvement but did not survive due to plague, papa-Jacques and all events... but hey, for historical correctness it is important to say that our relations were not "positive" nor one way, but in huge animosity as well etc etc. so hope i'm adding and very very interested of every detail and similar... wiki pages are very wrong that "our first documented (while mostly eaten)) ties" date to marriage with Helen Capet etc.... there was documented ties with Bodin and Raymond of Toulouse (once center of Visigothic kingdom as well etc), documented (in sources way) ties with Normans etc... if we are to go undocumented maybe as far as some early centuries and even some idea that both were centers of some Celtic states before etc..... BUT again very careful with interpretations of our relations after some 1308 and tepestry as said ....

couldn't gain complete answer to this day on roots or specificness of French pronunciations and speak, so maybe oif you have some idea also interested... if you know what i mean, for example we all say Karl and French Sharl etc (later also carried to England in some version) so i have no idea what is base, maybe some Gaulish but doubt? ...so also interesting subject to me.... also while i put English among "ekavian" it is known that they call "E" as "I" in our and similar... so generally also subject i would like to know more and what is suspected reasons etc etc.... but generally linguistics are just secondary subject, hope you can join with some valuations of historical and political events of era as i presented and where you agree/disagree....

I mean as an observer (if not upgraded) in Frankokratia organisation i have at least right to ask, don't I ...you know also what is interesting and why i express some doubts, as we also have some proposed Gaulish words in language - said intentionally Kalish as suggested is that our Scordisci and Serdi etc are Gaulish not Celtic globally etc. - but they don't have that French sounding at all, if you get me nor are softer or softening or softier etc. So "i" propose also sluga (court title also again) and often mention as example and is word found in Britain as almost similar or pejorative etc... and it doesn't have that French "schmek" if you follow and is more connectable with Britain Celts and not Gauls, so clear.... so many things and solutions are dubious to the bone and it is in some false stage as science, overly politicised or similar.... Taaa-daaaa since i used by chance one germanism and it is language generally full of "sh-" starting words example i gave of Charles (written as Stefan in French again)) and French pronunciation actually IS original Germanic maybe and Karl we mostly use is our hard-elite Latin one, ha! ...but evrything is dubious, i mean first part of sentence while our hard elite K is true, but is Sh actually Germanic etc etc.

so very dubious and speculative solutions all around and quasi ones, pardon to pros ;... but of all known things to me is the best that we have some Roman military and elitist words (and to extent Greeks but they blew up with their AI spelling that confused others while they kept E)) but we above all, almost nobody else use If also turns out that names like Preneste and similar are our word Italians changed not to be related with us - super ;... nothing to ask Italians on those subjects as i'm more expert for Latin than them so they could only ask me but remains open question and call for some that could help me with French and am i right about this also... not offended if you won't join but will continue with details from our history papa-Jacques actually DID NOT eat ...so, French ruined dam on Marica/Evronos river by the order of king Stefan V and prince VI Valois and then............

and it seems that French pronunciations were already "legendary" across whole continent really early so quasi is story that both in Bruges (so some Flanders) and on Sicily (probably elswewhere but known examples) their enemies forced captured French (or suspected ones) to say some words they couldn't and similar, quasi as story ;

very good example of what i was talking about (modern) Greek and listen carefully ; ...but they have dual use of it, guess based on some their known rules and lots of "ikavian" examples in contrast to us etc. even slightly in name of tribe as we would say Kreeks or Helenii and they often "Elines" etc. or example of famous sport club -aikos versus should be -ekos, so there are some their grammatcical rules so ask them... but could be said "ekavians" esp. in ancient language.... btw, river name is Evros and possible (though maybe fictional as whole battle and it was natural freak incident) "Turk commander" that crushed us maybe "osmanlised" once Evronos ..... as said take whole event as mythical and maybe totally untrue from eastern sources, but nonetheless river name i wrote wrongly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEiLSFJwS4I

Itanian-Canadian author demanded taking down of nice video i posted as very interesting to understand elite Latin... guess his right, but not something uniformelly used on youtube, as many bands' songs used by others should be taken as well etc ;...anyway to repost it, glad he included lyrics in video, very important and he used elite Latin pronuns - so not only that it has few our words but also melodics and way of speak closest to Serb ekavian etc so worth having and listening for understanding reasons as previous was again taken down....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQeD2TvvHKg

...instead we demanding him to take down our song ...don't understand at (not that song thing)) all above historical stand of some nations, above all Italians and Brits/English as they knew some things about our older history and similar but also about our alliance in XIV and XV, but they decided to stay "low level" or quiet/pushed on it and it is now more some puzzles and similar (while they are hiding as "my precious" some pieces of our nobility clothes in museums)... if you get it no idea why, country on most "emperors" bones after Italy (and maybe most legendary legion bones) and so on, but it is just puzzles and similar.....they all not to lynch us because we did it to Christ? because we crushed all you? becuase so stubborn in defence of Kesars reforms of kalenda? Three fingers? ....anyway, talking it all to conclude that cutest and funniest thing to me is that we "eaten" or hidden own "ee" in name of tribe, as well as to tribes as Greeks etc. for unknown reasons, but as said it is due to reforms of language in XIX being influenced by western regions speaking person/s and they already "eaten" E in name of our tribe long ago before but doesn't matter at all, of course Serbi and it is not political question at all..... something else, considering previous posts humoristically - as we concluded that "SH" is germanic as said, thought about St Giacomo Colonna - it seems that our original should be then Giacomo "Kara" Kolumna (if you followed)

looked little at all those "shatos" in region "Loir et Cher" and to me personally this Lavardin is most beautiful (not royal one) thinking about buying it ...and it seems that papa-Jacques once stayed in it and it was exactly the one with most documents about our events ...join me on some questions from there. Unimportant, but looked and it says we are "associal (-ated) member" of Frankokratia... don't care but generally funny as Greece, Albania, Bulgaria and Romania are full members and we again something else like in middle ages and Frankokratia is going around us and then crusade..... (just missed Hungaro-Croatia flank) ....as said not political nor linguistical and not "frankophone" world, nor they are importing any migrants to us ....it is lovely as some respect of history in that sense and of course they will gladly allow some erections to Nemanjic dynasty.... and of course George above all ...i don't speak French but it is one lovely (hehe) language i will never speak but really like european part of "frankokratia" as i like history again open call for help from there, would really like to "read" or totally get into all events in XIII and XIV, but earlier as well and i think we had a lot of ties (really in contrast to "Roman" and German which are clear, Franch were much harder to read and decode so still some help is needed).... about Vercingetorix I always say to French - it wasn't quite as presented and we gave him clear options, but then.... blah blah most beautiful is our legendary "punching" of Frankia in XIV no sarcasm

already talked, but now as i very expanded whole story and we reached some conslusions - and it is not just Edward, Ludwig and Dushan (and of course often forgotten Andrea due to size and his republican status, and at least in moments Kantakouzenos etc) alone as some rulers and elites around them - i say again what also connects them is approach and grants/support to spiritual franciscans, William of Okham, Petrarca and really range of figures and factions etc. that often attacked both Luxemburgs and French, verbally above all. So i'm 110% sure in that as historical truth of faction/alliance, no argument... Edward maybe tried to stay "unvisible" but all around continent knew that behind Dushan is directly "Roman emperor" in times, Ludwig and why they released Palman and avoided battle with HIM etc etc... so when you add other figures and factions i mentioned it was one very smart policy for times and prepared, not any incident nor mindless attacks etc.

...however moment regarding us that most confuses me, and i also mentioned, is that "attack on Argonese" which doesn't fit at all and it happened in some 1340s for example, time when there was evident that Luxes will react to our policies and that there will be attack on France soon... so any clashes with Aragonese were not in interest.... could be interpreted in various ways, or did not happen in some battle way and maybe they gave some territory to our faction and Dushan peacefully. As first option... second maybe just intervention because they spread outside of Duchy of Athens borders so our king "corrected" border back, second. Third Venetian wish to force Aragonese in alliance, similar to Kantakouzenos so Dushan acted as "fist".... or those were not still fully accepted by Aragonese and were still maybe "Catalan company" that Aragon did not recognize as "their" fully...... or, finally last option or interpret - Dushan still acted in agreement with others as "good cop", versus Edward being "bad cop" for example and relatively speaking of course as he was also relative of French kings etc. so quasi he showed some care and (as Miluten before) quasi punished Aragonese and protected French widows there, with small humor... also why he maintained some channel with papacy, wasn't any balancing at all and "two chairs", i read it as someone whose role was to try to show French that "he might be their friend still" etc (also why he and Loius also avoided longer wars)

however you read it and interpret it i say worth adding for lovers now when i greately advanced whole story - as it is moment that doesn't fit from our side, but it does fit or is easily fittable if you consider what i said as possible explains above... while in "war" we still showed friendly face to Franks ) ....question of "good and bad guys" is irrlevant but hey again just for fun as those were by some western historians "first european great wars" glad that our most potent ruler of time was on that side, haha ; if not sainthood status by us, he gained immortality in history of Ecumenical patriarchate as (together with Michael 8) only "Roman emperors" or of these parts excommunicated by it ....if you get it, that's where, due to small details, still need some help from France for example to successfully conclude story of "what happened" from 1316-13xx, if you agree with this as probable version of real historical events, guess English and Germans would ; and so on

great is confusion on many things that at first look less important and and are but if you try make some detailed picture they confuse or distract... so only one page i've seen says that papa-Jacques was "a Gascon" (origin) and none else mentions it, while French would not agree group related with Basques or Vasks. If so it fits in his anti-Scot stance (as Gascons had some English alliance) ....also one page says he was son "of shoemaker" while most say son of merchant from his city and one of merchant and moneychanger ; (not impossible both but...) If son of moneychanger it then explains his crusade against Miluten as our king was known as one distributing fake money around continent ...and so on

or that lovely story of Napoleone Orsini, cardinal and one whose influence and "grey eminence" role in Avignon spans few popes and was almost "motor" of few events, though during Clement (as most) temporarily aligned himself with Colonnas but it fastly went into another rift with Rome and Giacomo fastly "returning" where he belongs to say ) but Napoleone had great role and one cute name ) and yet another Italian that built his name mostly on French soil (today and then more-less))... couldn't miss it. And why is (to me) that possible rift among Philip "iron" and Charles "C" so interesting and why France was something else... so while quasi "close relations" or two full-bros are often mentioned, since Boniface events it is mentioned that Charles wasn't in agreement with Philip etc etc... so was it really as i see, "putsch" by Charlie C. and different stand with papacy by his line, that iritaded all and also reason for "puching" by all, really interests me - must say, see small confusion and uncertainty in French knowers on it, but it was intended as such i guess, almost like our events in way that role is uncertain ;....so why i ask for opinions.

France in times, highly recommendable subject but in "tiny details".... laughs and tears guaranteed, often together... Oriflamme knights ...was it really needed such "game of destiny" that one of main faction leaders/motors was Napoleon and many such symbolic things... but ultimately i developed some affection and is connective, so careful with what their kings really thought, as said few times... and careful with Stefan Anjou, often called leader of "guelph faction" in Italy and there was arguably no greater "ghibellinichina" since Barbarella on the field and he was "pro-papal" only if popes agreed with him ; ...lovely, given some focus on figures of both royal brothers Charleses (no, not "the fool")) especially and also why i ask etc.... as said million are subjectsand impossible to see or cover, so if you have that "eureka" moment and like themes, grateful to pointing what you see as crucial, don't be shy at all....... exchange-office owner's son declaring crusade on famous coin falsificator, hahaa

one more thing - really among millions - from my earlier notice and to understand additionally some humor....

so in short, one realtively unimportant pope dies in 1342, same year of death of Napoleone btw ; - and next pope, Avignon and French one for total laics of course, so line like "rift with Rome" are fun... hastly elections are made in Avignon - btw story also but for story - French king Philip VI seen on Crecy photo above sends his son Jean le Bon also above ) to influence elections but he was late nonetheless their candidate was elected and became pope despite Jean being late as at Poitiers ) ...so new pope is elected that seen further complications in continental relations, Clement VI - and in his time Luxemburgs take "king of Romans" title to frustrate us and Ludwig, but also our king elevates himself and other interesting things in his mandate (and of course death of Ludwig as greatest punch) also btw and for story, just to say you to recognize known figures and who supported who etc

but now for that humoristic detail, as i noticed some time ago - he made all cardinals French very soon (already dominant from before) and as said "with a strong accent of the Auvergne" region ; ...so my humor is clearer if you know older history, as it was tribe or confederation of Vercengetorix and we responeded with alot of kesars so not only humor at French generally but at this cute detail as well, hopefully effective )

....on Stefan-Charles again.... it is not about that nor that, nor my liking is about "his manly nose" to quote Dante Yes, was capable strategist and personal high courage (alleged)) is unquestionable, nothing less significant architect but really like him for other reasons, not just for that or his struggle with papalitaat (calling it funny but it had zero German-cardinals esp. later as said)) or with our old rival Byzant... no, no, not exclusively that. While i before praised Louis IX and Philip IV factions (as i defined) as looking more "outside" (while Philip dubious as ever but he took it, Louis great example of few lost interventions outside of continent)) now I also respect Charles A. (and maybe C.) as, being some imaginary counterfactions to those two they led more "isolationistic" and better said "continental policy" tying with us all and similar so in contrast to many who see our deals as maybe imperialistic or based on greed i see them as cooperation and based on some new likes but with Franks etc etc.... maybe not even trying to explain it deep, just some feeling that Charles was OK and, while we theoretically had Louis daughter and Philips "ear" and coop maybe few advices as well - it IS documented that with Charles A and C we had alliances and similar and together we led engaged and responsible continental policy, perfectly said punch to Flanders, punch to Byzant, punch to Aragon and so on ....really not even trying to understand but something brought me to "liking" Charles and again it is not exclusively Byzant nor papacy thing... like continental policy ) ....maybe feeling is that we all punched later French "bit too much" while they were not "soft" at all by their alliance with Turks and sending us "on heaven" ....IDK, Stefan was alright and responsible politician hehe... finishing and i hopefully gave few answerable quests to French interestents for goodbye, really intersted and find forums best for it )

great are stories, no sarcasm and so many details people simply don't know and maybe also good illustration is title of "Charles Anjou" (Stefan Capet) photo in Wiki "some old guy" (chopper of heads))... simply don't know which to present and when etc. which ones you maybe know so not to vaste words etc. so hope you can build some picture on your own with just some details now and then... but you should join above all with something

our ties with Wittelsbach family, of Ludwig? Old, by moment of culmination in XIV at least few centuries, but who knows from before ;... so one who gained almost whole Bavaria after our "old pal" Hainry "the lion" was deposed was one of closest allies of Barbarella, hero of some battle around Verona which enabled Barba easy pass etc. And one who almost killed one then cardinal and later pope whose mandate spans important events in our history, rise of Nemanja etc. On some imperial session... with battle axe. (but Barba intervened) So we were very much in ties with Wittlesbachs from long before and important is to note that they rose to power (while older) during Barbarella times, us we to extent AND important as taking Hainrich land, man we punched as well when we could When same cardinal become later pope one of first to "bow" and recognize papal authority was then Hungarian king, son of our wife of previous and speculatively aunt of Nemanja... but that is contested and not sure as well as from which line was Nemanja.... of course we've taken different position and Staufen one and it proved in practice our ruler man in some great touch with Barba and also Wittelsbachs etc.

hence is interesting that moment of why we and some Roman factions later abandoned Staufens, supported French etc. i tried to give some answers via eventual help of Constantin (Fredie II) Staufen taking part in some attacks on commies under Luca Savelli but was it just that etc... or offence as he spread falconry and dog breeding around continent 400 after us, without even mentioning us in Wikipedia? ...lovely stories, hope i with very few words made even this tie with Wittelsbach closer, and their gratitude and urge to reinforce and defend us (with lives) in XIV century ; ...so we should erect something in Bavaria, most definitely (most attacked, hidden and ruined nation sources/role of meds is our, if you get it, but it survived in some frame.....)

so to respect copyrights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B10ECkQXQtU

video was shot in our fort of Smederevo (or Semendria or similar) made by George Brankovic ...so i "intentionally" posted other video as our role in "Templar heresy" is objected by yours trully as lyrsics are "anti-Serb" as i put ....OR just because and invading knights represent our forces, Grebostrek, so Swedes know history ) ... but Philip was saint )

...ask something always,join with something, help, really hope you understood much, lovely stories...

really how big is gap between myth and true history is really this subject "mythical Templars" and like to deal with it...

really from continental to (quasi) global stage, people don't realize they were more bankers and engaged in various corruption than any fighters in 1307 ; ...but on local stage I "like" texts writen about some "templars" on our sides in later battles, 80 years after destruction and ban or some "orthodox templars" even and so on, great falsificate of history as they were catholic to the bone, more than any other feudal nobility knight would be.... so myths, while not impossible that French were for long (as many others) among our armies, but no flags of banned order nor any members, haha ... more French were with Turks though as explained and it was their and Genoese ally kiss kiss remember Lys - but for truth on events

But and for lovers and our people not me to spread confusion - so i say to our people liking history again that only few months after destruction of order our "holy king" makes series of deals with French royal brothers Philip and Charles Valois so if our kingdom was even "touched" by question and felt any closenes with Templars it would never happen... our king financed French not only then but for few decades and is main reason why Dante mentions his money at all and couldn't care less about any templars It is 2025 and time to stop lies and really some science and research to win Templars, last time also, were also on our borders which surely disturbed Miluten in time when at least some tiny factions talked about attack on Serbia etc etc If templars were around in 1316 and papa-Jacques was really serious about any crusade Templars from north would gladly answer his call against us so time to look at facts, while my joke about Grebostrek and them is humor, Miluten and him for sure killed quite few "turcopiliers" (Templar title again) recorded that much on it, 110% with Philip on this, in dissolution issue, legal process and punishment is something else ;... that much about Miluten and our royals, as for other later battles they did not exist and probably more concentrated in other form in some Iberian issues ;.... in time of our big battle theoretically could be on our side AS we were indeed against punched France, so not impossible some ex-Templar even on Dushan side as explained as we were on english side - but they did not exist nor carry any flags nor "orthodox templars" ever existed ;.... looks like minor subject but often misunderstood and missused mythically so i really hope i explained... while there is no record of any our battle against them (as i joked) there is no reliable record that they were on "our side" and Miluten would surely arest them if could, that much and they surely did not like our royalty nor nobility for same reason... but again, since time of Dushan and onwards, till fall, it is NOT impossible that some descendants of ex-Templars joined our armies as we were strongly anti-French camp there so possibly that some "forgiven Miluten's sin" etc etc. BUT French are recorded on Turkish side in those times and battles that kicked us out....... nice video haha, and glad we had few med remains where something could be filmed like angle from bird persepctive where Danube looks like almost sea coast so some film about St Stefan Anjou could be filmed there insted of Italy (it is just keep or inner city of much larger fort and probably city which did not survive) but priority is now that we became "return hubs" even America offered (lots of money for some corrupt ones, don't see any other interest, just btw subject from news lines)) .....really hope i explained templar quasi issues well, some our people quasi like subject but don;t understand it fully, so hopefully clearer of what was and what could be.... always join from some other place to look at some issues ;

After assuming the throne, Philip inherited a sizable debt from his father's war against Aragon. By November 1286 it reached 8 tonnes of silver to his primary financiers, the Templars, equivalent to 17% of government revenue. This debt was quickly paid off, and, in 1287 and 1288, Philip's kingdom ran a budget surplus

so who is saying, who is lying as song says ) - that Philip did not repay his (not even his) debts to "great fighters"

BUT...

...the deficits continued to stack up in 1293. By 1295, Philip had replaced the Templars with the Florentine Franzesi bankers as his main source of finance. The Italians could raise huge loans far beyond the capacities of the Templars, and Philip came to rely on them more and more. The royal treasure was transferred from the Paris Temple to the Louvre around this time. etc

and that is ladies and milades probably true source of why Templars could have been seen as "potential" rebelious group, and armed ;... in time of events against them however other important things happened so battles of duke Nogaret in Italy and papacy change so even more reasons for "holy order" to feel that they are losing ground etc... but, for some minor humor - if Philip in moment was to arrest for debt (his own)) he would have to do to various Italian bankers more than Templars ;.....where Miluten fits? not from books but in Italian sources is preserved that Venetian agents (or supporters in Italy, of that faction) in times were tracking, investigating and even seizing and processing some Italian (bankers etc) hunting Milutens money in exactly Florence, Bologna etc etc. Philip and Miluten, theoretically but with truth, demand "small crusade" against Venetians and the rest is history, Vinegia erased from history and population sold ; etc etc..... so one of rulers who had the most interest to "discilinary punish" both Venice and Templars was Miluten etc etc. but friendly

it is almost horrible what could happen to man (Philie) for just listening to our king...... hope you understand anything, old but gold subject... hope you join with something else, how come nobody blames Albania for destruction of Staufens and all imperialism but seriously something else you like, this is i hope filed and understood again, while nothing is easy but in case of Temps most interesting is question of - how come even one of most powerful monarchies and crowns was in situation to be in debt amounting almost 20% of state budget to "poor warriors" ....as for other joke about Miluten being crucial - it was various opinions of many monarchs and for example i say that even in 1330s and further, others monarchs gave some options to French kings but things went as went and Crecy and Poitiers, fallof Paris happened... so despite my joke, it was never one monarch why giving example.... of course, some distinction among those punished by Philip and some maybe simple members whodid not have anything is also noted for end, so i told whole story that maybe some went to HIM and rest..... look at positive side, our money did help renesance .....

long time ago i presented paper found in France where is writen "We our majesty king Philip do not owe any money to Templars and they are satanist" so it is source ...lovely and funny subjects - of course even that eventual huge rift between us and France and they also owed us money ...also like how our ruler George met with Burgundian agenst just few weeks before arrest of Jeanne Dark, hahaa... but that's to much, all lovely