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We are looking for a new name for our shiny new pub. Deadline is November 22. Every member can vote for two names and after we met the deadline, the candidate with the most votes will win (so we use the "first past the post" voting system). You can change your votes anytime until the poll will be closed.

i know, it's too late

i was just thinking about a better voting system for poll. it definitely will not be applied to this vote, but imo it sounds interesting enough to apply later: similar to the tv competition shows (like x factor, america's got talent, etc.), the candidates getting the least votes shold be deleted, and people voting for them can give their votes for other candidates

actually, even with the current voting system, when the poll will be close to end, it may be worth to rethink your votes going to an unpopular candidate and switching to one of the possible winners what you hate less

I voted only once and will keep my second vote for later. Maybe a tie breaker will be needed I also won't vote for my own suggestion because there are many better ones

The voting system what you suggest Csaba, sounds like a elimination race to me. In track cycling events there are elimination races. Every 5th lap or so, the last rider (of the bunch) crossing the line will be eliminated. If something like this can be set up to automatically eliminate the suggestion with the least votes every X days, yeah maybe it will be nice to have. The other option is that someone has to manually delete the most unpopular candidate every time, every X days...

randowe wrote: ↑2019-11-03 15:49, Sunday If something like this can be set up to automatically eliminate the suggestion with the least votes every X days, yeah maybe it will be nice to have.

checked the phpbb documentation and unfortunately it's not possible. if a poll is edited (added/removed options), all votes will be reset to zero

so it's up to the users changing their votes in the final round if they want, or a new poll can be raised between the leading candidates if the result wouldn't be conclusive

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-04 00:37, Monday

randowe wrote: ↑2019-11-03 15:49, Sunday If something like this can be set up to automatically eliminate the suggestion with the least votes every X days, yeah maybe it will be nice to have.

checked the phpbb documentation and unfortunately it's not possible. if a poll is edited (added/removed options), all votes will be reset to zero

so it's up to the users changing their votes in the final round if they want, or a new poll can be raised between the leading candidates if the result wouldn't be conclusive

And what if one or more of the options are renamed? If votes are not reset, you could rename proposals that did not make it to the next round to something like "X", "Rejected proposal", "Dropped proposal" ...

Wonderdoctor wrote: ↑2019-11-04 11:52, Monday And what if one or more of the options are renamed? If votes are not reset, you could rename proposals that did not make it to the next round to something like "X", "Rejected proposal", "Dropped proposal" ...

that actually works! thanks, Jurgen

you have left less than 10 days to vote or modify your vote(s)

Now we have a race!

★ ★ ★ GO VOTE TODAY ★ ★ ★

we are entering the last week to vote and the race is still opened

(btw. there are suspicious new registrations who aren't spammers but also not regular users communicating on the forum. i hope nobody thought it would be possible to cheat: newly registered users can't vote)

if there would be a tie on 21st (one day before this poll expires), is it acceptable to keep open the poll for another week, e.g. or should i create a new poll with the two leading candidates?

lvjtn wrote: (btw. there are suspicious new registrations who aren't spammers but also not regular users communicating on the forum. i hope nobody thought it would be possible to cheat: newly registered users can't vote)

Yes, it is very suspicious. (I'd kick everyone out automatically who did not post after a month (No suggestion, just my private opinion).)
I mean, you have to actively register on the forum and then you do not post? I really don't get it. In german we have a word for those dead members: Karteileiche. A pitty, there is no english translation. Something like "Dead card index member"

lvjtn wrote:if there would be a tie on 21st (one day before this poll expires), is it acceptable to keep open the poll for another week, e.g. or should i create a new poll with the two leading candidates?

I'd say you should try and open the poll for one more week.

EDIT: Now we have 3 suggestions leading the race with 5 votes each. There is a lot of movement since yesterday. Someone should comment the poll as if it would be a horse race

randowe wrote: ↑2019-11-15 12:30, Friday Now we have 3 suggestions leading the race with 5 votes each. There is a lot of movement since yesterday. Someone should comment the poll as if it would be a horse race

and no british or irish guy to arrange a bet?

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-15 07:21, Friday if there would be a tie on 21st (one day before this poll expires), is it acceptable to keep open the poll for another week, e.g. or should i create a new poll with the two leading candidates?

Imho, if there are 2 ## of votes on top, then no matter how many candidates there are, a new poll for them should be arranged.
Example, candidate
X has 4
Y has 4
Z has 3
M has 1
N has 2
O has 5
votes, then candidates X, Y and O go to the tie. Same if
X has 4
Y has 5
O has 5
votes.

mythos wrote: ↑2019-11-15 13:26, Fridayif there are 2 ## of votes on top

Just to clarify your proposal... Your two examples seem to indicate that the envisaged new poll should allow all candidates who garnered the most number of votes and all "first runner-up" candidates (in terms of votes cast) to participate. Am I reading you right ?

HexCode wrote: ↑2019-11-15 16:44, Friday

mythos wrote: ↑2019-11-15 13:26, Fridayif there are 2 ## of votes on top

Just to clarify your proposal... Your two examples seem to indicate that the envisaged new poll should allow all candidates who garnered the most number of votes and all "first runner-up" candidates (in terms of votes cast) to participate. Am I reading you right ?

you interpret Chris' words corretly, but he is wrong. rules announced in the 1st post are clear: if there is a single candidate getting more votes than any of the other candidates, it will be the winner, no matter it gets only 10%-20% of the total votes

the question was what to do if there were a tie for the 1st place: 2 or more candidates getting the most votes. then a) voting procedure can be expanded or b) new vote can be announced for the leading candidates

just to be clear, if we expand the poll, all non-leading candidates will be eliminated somehow (e.g. added a string "ELIMINATED: " before the name of the candidate, as we discussed with Jurgen), and if we arranged a new poll, only the candidates sharing the 1st place would participate in it

i simply forgot to think about a tie that's why this question is unanswered yet

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-15 17:56, Fridayi simply forgot to think about a tie

How about taking a page from Anglo-Saxon common law principles ? Namely, the courts refuse to hear hypothetical cases. Practically speaking, should a tie were to actually materialize, well, that would be the time for further public deliberations re: some latter day tie breaker procedure.

HexCode wrote: ↑2019-11-15 18:19, Friday How about taking a page from Anglo-Saxon common law principles ? Namely, the courts refuse to hear hypothetical cases. Practically speaking, should a tie were to actually materialize, well, that would be the time for further public deliberations re: some latter day tie breaker procedure.

hopefully it's not a court, and this is not a case imo even the anglo-saxon countries have electorial laws and these laws are prepared for all possible outcomes (e.g. what happens if a candidate dies, is arrested, a ballot box is lost, or suspicious, uncertificated ballots are found, etc.), and the laws aren't fabricated when the unexpected becomes real

but what's more important is the technical part: when a poll expires on a phpbb forum, it can't be renewed, only a new poll can arranged, so we should figure out the rule before the poll expires just in case we decide the renewal would be better than a new poll

This is hardly the place to compare common law to civil law.

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-15 18:59, Friday... what's more important is the technical part: when a poll expires on a phpbb forum, it can't be renewed, only a new poll can arranged, so we should figure out the rule before the poll expires just in case we decide the renewal would be better than a new poll

A brand new poll in which the available choices would be restricted to just the ones that were tied at the very top appears to be a "clean / fresh" option. As for the possibility of a second tie down the road, well...

Someone should comment the poll as if it would be a horse race

The Castletown Donkey Derby of 1994! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XtVm8z28e4

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-15 17:56, Friday rules announced in the 1st post are clear: if there is a single candidate getting more votes than any of the other candidates, it will be the winner, no matter it gets only 10%-20% of the total votes

the question was what to do if there were a tie for the 1st place: 2 or more candidates getting the most votes. then a) voting procedure can be expanded or b) new vote can be announced for the leading candidates

I see, thanks for clarification.

Imho, in case of a tie, start a new poll with just the tieing candidates. The old vote could be interesting for statistical and chronological purposes (if 1,2,9 years later someone wants to know how the election concluded), while a new vote should be technically easier to create.

Wonderdoctor wrote: ↑2019-11-15 21:43, Friday The Castletown Donkey Derby of 1994! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XtVm8z28e4

can't find words and yep, that's the spirit what we missed

You could comment as if it was a sailboat race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iz1de7Lwyw

HexCode wrote:This is hardly the place to compare common law to civil law.

on the contrary, colleagues, on the contrary... go ahead, you are welcome and i'm very interested



btw good luck with the pub and thanks Doc

Wonderdoctor wrote: ↑2019-11-16 22:50, Saturday You could comment as if it was a sailboat race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iz1de7Lwyw

"I got it wrong...it's the beginning of the race"

while the last video posted by Jurgen answered all questions about a possible tie, the race is more and more exciting, and we have left less than three days to vote (or change our votes)

run donkeys, run! (but not into the trees)

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-19 14:57, Tuesday run donkeys, run! (but not into the trees)

I still feel a lot of respect that the moderator gained back his seriousness

Of course, the best result would be a tie, no? More polls, more fun, no?

randowe wrote: ↑2019-11-19 18:21, TuesdayOf course, the best result would be a tie, no?

Depends on the tied candidates. That's where strategic voting comes into play big time... For example:

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-03 15:10, Sunday... when the poll will be close to end, it may be worth to rethink your votes going to an unpopular candidate and switching to one of the possible winners what you hate less

randowe wrote: ↑2019-11-19 18:21, Tuesday Of course, the best result would be a tie, no? More polls, more fun, no?

some guys named their campaign a "long journey", imo naming the pub is the longest journey, do you really want to make it longer?

@ HexCode: yeah, our voting system is much better and more honest than most elections all over the world

wow neck and neck what a race

i was dreaming of a sign for the pub if i was fortunate enough to win and

if some one so kind who could draw would help

what i had in mind was 2 people in a kubel wagon but one sorta faded out looking at an oasis in the distance

with the main wording WHOOPYS WATERING HOLE at the top

But with one character (the faded out one)saying is that an oasis Whoopy?

The other character replying no JP that`s the praetorian oasis

at the bottom of the banner

WHERE THE OLD GUARD WELCOMES THE NEW

what do you think??












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Keighleyred wrote: ↑2019-11-20 19:14, Wednesdayi was dreaming of a sign for the pub if i was fortunate enough to win

Why making it so... personal ?

Keighleyred wrote: ↑2019-11-20 19:14, WednesdayWHERE THE OLD GUARD WELCOMES THE NEW

Kindly explain (especially the "welcoming" part).

Keighleyred wrote: ↑2019-11-20 19:14, Wednesday wow neck and neck what a race

i was dreaming of a sign for the pub if i was fortunate enough to win and

if some one so kind who could draw would help

what i had in mind was 2 people in a kubel wagon but one sorta faded out looking at an oasis in the distance

with the main wording WHOOPYS WATERING HOLE at the top

But with one character (the faded out one)saying is that an oasis Whoopy?

The other character replying no JP that`s the praetorian oasis

at the bottom of the banner

WHERE THE OLD GUARD WELCOMES THE NEW

what do you think??

I like it. Not sure how big the banner is, but could have a Danish sergeant guarding the oasis, a programming guy running a guest house there, a chef baking a meal, another one baking a mine cake, a mad hatter etc.

Keighleyred wrote: ↑2019-11-20 19:14, Wednesday i was dreaming of a sign for the pub

the banner is 202x52px, so i doubt a whole cartoon or a stripping female woman of the opposite sex can be placed on it

but what if to write this story somewhere in the pub? (generic) you can add as many details as (generic) you want / remember

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comrades, only 36 hours left to vote! and the result is inconclusive now. please, give a name for the pub

imo it's time for the tactical voting: let's leave the candidates having 1-4 votes and let's choose one of the two leading candidates (and, please don't vote for both of them )

Hi

Kindly explain (especially the "welcoming" part)

in years gone by there was another forum The Praetorian Oasis that ran side by side with JP`s

here you also got campaigns efiles etc

most of its members moved to jp`s which has now evolved to open general forum

the old guard welcomes the new guard is a pun on the name praetorian like old members welcoming the new members with new ideas

Keighley

how i see it, PO did not evolve into JP, they existed parallelly. some people (including almighty Lasse, important name of the time if I didn't misspell) never really had interest in bigger community (for example) while some not so much into smaller ones. I was personally never part of PO.... having said that to me this OG forum is more like PO version 2 : ) But open to all of course and without forcing style (maybe just like Luis' game). Don't have interest in technical things that much - of course it is most important part - and we will all see how it evolves. Csaba & Luis are the most concerned and relevant to goals and expectations, they asked for help and I can only participate now )

Keighleyred wrote: ↑2019-11-21 19:11, Thursday Hi

Kindly explain (especially the "welcoming" part)

in years gone by there was another forum The Praetorian Oasis that ran side by side with JP`s

here you also got campaigns efiles etc

most of its members moved to jp`s which has now evolved to open general forum

the old guard welcomes the new guard is a pun on the name praetorian like old members welcoming the new members with new ideas

The forum is still there Not much going on though. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/buildersparadise/

Wonderdoctor wrote: ↑2019-11-21 22:02, Thursday The forum is still there Not much going on though. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/buildersparadise/

Great to Know

Thank you Jurgen to share the link, I didn't know BP had been moved to tapatalk

geez, guys, that's an interesting "tactical voting". both leading candidates lost votes

Keighleyred wrote: ↑2019-11-21 19:11, Thursday Kindly explain (especially the "welcoming" part)

i meant as the pub will have a name, this site will be somehow official, so somebody may write a welcome page with a short historical background. with my 10 years i'm a rookie for this job

what's the next poll? "name the three least useful leaders what you want to rework"?

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-22 10:12, Friday what's the next poll? "name the three least useful leaders what you want to rework"?

What does that mean?

the race was very tight, the leading candidates gained and lost votes during the last days, till the very last minutes (i know, because i made the another logo 45mins before, when the result was reversed )

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randowe wrote: ↑2019-11-22 10:41, Friday What does that mean?

it's a very-very bad and bold joke. and it means when you enter a dark, smokey pub standing in the worst quarter of the most terrifiyng port, and only stone-hearted veteran pg2/og players drink their grogs around the tables, some of them having only one eye / leg / arm, and they play with their knives, and then somebody dares to say a single word: "leaders..." and suddenly the worst fight you can imagine begins, very few will come out of the bar alive...

and the story behind the story: we had endless but heated debates on jp's forums about the leaders, till Luis used his commanding power and made this word a taboo. what i openly mentioned now, so probably these were my last words

lvjtn wrote:

and the winner is

Steel & Lace

LOL, i wondered all the time how people can change their votes every day. I guess that's what make politics unpredictable nowadays

lvjtn wrote: and the story behind the story: we had endless but heated debates on jp's forums about the leaders, till Luis used his commanding power and made this word a taboo. what i openly mentioned now, so probably these were my last words

I understand

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-22 11:16, Friday

and the winner is

Steel & Lace

that is what I call perseverance, Doc ..............

not important (and not sure really) but as i remember you are maybe "the oldest" in PG2 community still here (Luis was probably there AND he was working, not talking)... at least I gave Jan (without intention by quoting Dante) real Viking funeral all jokes aside, time is the most unbeatable force.

congrats to giving it name, hope for some action in it from me.

lvjtn wrote: ↑2019-11-22 11:16, Friday

and the winner is

Steel & Lace

Congratulations!
You made a good choice.
Very good choice indeed, although a little bit sexist


^^^ Jane Russell wearing Howard Hughes' "Bullet Bra".

that's what i meant about time, even our girls are in black&white


pardon him miladies and welcome. )