FAQ and Howto (OpenGen + Suite)

Post by **randowe** » 2021-10-04 14:02, Monday

whereis wrote: ↑2021-10-04 09:55, Monday To add Helo transport for an infantry unit, what do I need to do?

I've created the transport units and added them for the inf unit in the no-organic transports checkbox. I've checked airborne for the inf. Still, the helicopters don't show up on the requisition menu as transport method for the inf, they should be available in the campaign's time period.

No-Organic transports, like naval transports, do not show up in the requisition menu. When you set everything in the efile, helo unit in helo transport class, you also need to make them available in the scenario. Load your scenario's "scenario summary view", in the corner down left you can set the number of naval, air, train and helo transports that are available to your units in that particular scenario.

If you want a helo transport to show up in the requisition menu you have to create a helo unit like it is a truck unit, so to speak. It has to be in the ground transport class in the efile. But the helo is using air movement of course. In this case the helo transport can be bought like a ordinary truck transport and stays with the (infantry) unit.

[EDIT: Don't forget matching transport weight]

Ol' Willy · Post by **Ol' Willy** » 2021-10-04 14:03, Monday

Damn, I always wanted to play a campaign where you can capture enemy equipment. Is there any campaign already done with this idea?

whereis · Post by **whereis** » 2021-10-04 20:25, Monday

randowe wrote: ↑2021-10-04 14:02, Monday
whereis wrote: ↑2021-10-04 09:55, Monday To add Helo transport for an infantry unit, what do I need to do?

I've created the transport units and added them for the inf unit in the no-organic transports checkbox. I've checked airborne for the inf. Still, the helicopters don't show up on the requisition menu as transport method for the inf, they should be available in the campaign's time period.
No-Organic transports, like naval transports, do not show up in the requisition menu. When you set everything in the efile, helo unit in helo transport class, you also need to make them available in the scenario. Load your scenario's "scenario summary view", in the corner down left you can set the number of naval, air, train and helo transports that are available to your units in that particular scenario.

If you want a helo transport to show up in the requisition menu you have to create a helo unit like it is a truck unit, so to speak. It has to be in the ground transport class in the efile. But the helo is using air movement of course. In this case the helo transport can be bought like a ordinary truck transport and stays with the (infantry) unit.

[EDIT: Don't forget matching transport weight]

Thanks again! This solved my issues for now. The suite has so many features, it's hard to grasp at first. A powerful editor, for sure!

Post by **randowe** » 2021-10-04 20:37, Monday

You're welcome

Post by **randowe** » 2021-10-04 20:48, Monday

Ol' Willy wrote: ↑2021-10-04 14:03, Monday Damn, I always wanted to play a campaign where you can capture enemy equipment. Is there any campaign already done with this idea?

What do you mean with "can capture enemy equipment"?

Ol' Willy · Post by **Ol' Willy** » 2021-10-04 22:08, Monday

randowe wrote: ↑2021-10-04 20:48, Monday
Ol' Willy wrote: ↑2021-10-04 14:03, Monday Damn, I always wanted to play a campaign where you can capture enemy equipment. Is there any campaign already done with this idea?
What do you mean with "can capture enemy equipment"?

Hmm, I seem to have replied in a different thread...

Anyway, someone was talking about making a campaign where a capture of some particular hex will reward you with "captured" equipment, i.e., enemy unit type.

Would be cool for a campaign where your purchasing selection is greatly limited and you have to "capture" equipment

Post by **randowe** » 2021-10-04 22:21, Monday

Ol' Willy wrote: ↑2021-10-04 22:08, Monday
randowe wrote: ↑2021-10-04 20:48, Monday
Ol' Willy wrote: ↑2021-10-04 14:03, Monday Damn, I always wanted to play a campaign where you can capture enemy equipment. Is there any campaign already done with this idea?
What do you mean with "can capture enemy equipment"?
Hmm, I seem to have replied in a different thread...

Anyway, someone was talking about making a campaign where a capture of some particular hex will reward you with "captured" equipment, i.e., enemy unit type.

Would be cool for a campaign where your purchasing selection is greatly limited and you have to "capture" equipment

Hmm yes, i think i saw your post in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=477&p=8473#p8473 But now your post is gone there and posted here.
Anyway, i don't know of such a campaign you are looking for. Few campaigns might use proto trigger hex but you will rarely get captured equipment. In many German campaigns you can buy captured equipment, like the Soviet tanks for example, but that is pretty much "standart"

whereis · Post by **whereis** » 2021-10-05 21:35, Tuesday

randowe wrote: ↑2021-10-04 22:21, Monday
Ol' Willy wrote: ↑2021-10-04 22:08, Monday
randowe wrote: ↑2021-10-04 20:48, Monday

What do you mean with "can capture enemy equipment"?
Hmm, I seem to have replied in a different thread...

Anyway, someone was talking about making a campaign where a capture of some particular hex will reward you with "captured" equipment, i.e., enemy unit type.

Would be cool for a campaign where your purchasing selection is greatly limited and you have to "capture" equipment
Hmm yes, i think i saw your post in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=477&p=8473#p8473 But now your post is gone there and posted here.
Anyway, i don't know of such a campaign you are looking for. Few campaigns might use proto trigger hex but you will rarely get captured equipment. In many German campaigns you can buy captured equipment, like the Soviet tanks for example, but that is pretty much "standart"

There was actually an event like that in the campaign Speziale Brigade Bistroff, CC 61. In the scenario Counterstrike at Orel. The destruction of an enemy unit at 17,9 triggers a captured T-34 the next turn. But this was a one off event in a whole campaign.

Ol' Willy · Post by **Ol' Willy** » 2021-10-06 00:20, Wednesday

whereis wrote: ↑2021-10-05 21:35, TuesdayThere was actually an event like that in the campaign Speziale Brigade Bistroff, CC 61. In the scenario Counterstrike at Orel. The destruction of an enemy unit at 17,9 triggers a captured T-34 the next turn. But this was a one off event in a whole campaign.

Cool, that's what I'm talking about

On an unrelated note, I see that OG supports PG2 efiles and campaigns; does it support PeG efiles and campaigns?

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2021-10-06 17:00, Wednesday

Ol' Willy wrote: ↑2021-10-06 00:20, Wednesday On an unrelated note, I see that OG supports PG2 efiles and campaigns; does it support PeG efiles and campaigns?

As you know, OG is "the evolution" of PG2 and was developed to allow all existing stuff made for PG2 playable (compatible), regardless the AI is not quite compatible.

Peg is a different engine with some similar rules but some very different (air missions, profile, etc.). Even the structures used with Peg's files are similar, but different, thus stock PeG file formats (efile, scenarios, campaigns, etc.) cannot be loaded into OG without converting/adapting to OG formats.

My good old friend George (aka MK43) reworked/converted Peg's efile and 2 campaigns to the OG format, which was a great task both for him and for me (required a lot of specific changes in the OG engine to allow that). His work was released as the EFILE_PEG, which is available into the installer, if you want to have a look. But do not expect to find air missions, progressive spot (profile) and some other features not existing in PG2/OG

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2021-10-06 18:22, Wednesday

Ol' Willy

If you want to play Peg campaigns on OG, you will find a lot of them on the Polish server These are the conversions and the work of Kowdar
http://opengeneral.pl/files/EFILE_GUS_PeG_5.06b.zip

Ol' Willy · Post by **Ol' Willy** » 2021-10-06 20:59, Wednesday

Thanks, guys!
OG already has a lot of campaigns, but as people say, how much do you need? Just one more!
I really like OG engine so I'm always looking for more stuff to play in it

RE: damn, that Gus_Peg efile is a serious business, so much campaigns...

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2021-10-06 21:52, Wednesday

If you are looking for more things to play - watch then
http://opengeneral.pl/files/EFILE_GUS_Wx_5.06.zip
http://opengeneral.pl/files/EFILE_GUS_5.06.zip

There you will find new and old campaigns (still with PG2)

Alberich · Post by **Alberich** » 2021-10-12 16:37, Tuesday

Ol' Willy wrote: ↑2021-10-06 20:59, Wednesday Thanks, guys!
OG already has a lot of campaigns, but as people say, how much do you need? Just one more!
I really like OG engine so I'm always looking for more stuff to play in it

RE: damn, that Gus_Peg efile is a serious business, so much campaigns...

I played some of these campaigns. My experience with this is that you have to prepare for the difference between them and the original versions from People's General - the differences between games and efils.

Major Heinz · Post by **Major Heinz** » 2021-11-20 13:54, Saturday

How can I set up a unit and make it disappear after xyz turns? Is there a way. Or better disappear with a trigger.

Post by **randowe** » 2021-11-20 14:44, Saturday

Major Heinz wrote: ↑2021-11-20 13:54, Saturday How can I set up a unit and make it disappear after xyz turns? Is there a way. Or better disappear with a trigger.

Set turn number when unit should be disappear:

Major Heinz · Post by **Major Heinz** » 2021-12-08 18:44, Wednesday

I have a little problem with the Kiew scenario in my campaign. In the east are three EH. Near of them are three soviet divisions which only should stop the german tank armies advance. Other units in the centre of the map later will try to escape later. But the soviets win the scenario by moving the units in the east to the EH. What stance should I use that the soviets do not move? Keep or defensive or I have to make this otherwise?

Post by **Wonderdoctor** » 2021-12-08 22:04, Wednesday

Major Heinz wrote: ↑2021-12-08 18:44, Wednesday I have a little problem with the Kiew scenario in my campaign. In the east are three EH. Near of them are three soviet divisions which only should stop the german tank armies advance. Other units in the centre of the map later will try to escape later. But the soviets win the scenario by moving the units in the east to the EH. What stance should I use that the soviets do not move? Keep or defensive or I have to make this otherwise?

Anchor them? Or "Hold position till turn" x? Both of these options mean that these units will not move at all. Maybe that is too much 'not moving'? I don't know how to use stance to make them not wanting to escape if escaping a number of units is the victory condition

Sorry.

Major Heinz · Post by **Major Heinz** » 2021-12-08 22:12, Wednesday

Yeah, I will use Hold position until turn xyz. But naturally it would be nicer, if the AI could move while defending terrain. But not if they cheat and win the scenario easily.

Major Heinz · Post by **Major Heinz** » 2022-05-22 14:02, Sunday

Szenario creation:
I accidentally deployed reinforcements that should remain undeployed. How do I get them back to HQ? Unfortunately, it is not possible to simply push it back into the deploy list.

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2022-05-22 17:37, Sunday

Major Heinz wrote: ↑2022-05-22 14:02, Sunday Szenario creation:
I accidentally deployed reinforcements that should remain undeployed. How do I get them back to HQ? Unfortunately, it is not possible to simply push it back into the deploy list.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/129d89m ... sp=sharing

Major Heinz · Post by **Major Heinz** » 2022-05-22 18:31, Sunday

I see.

Finally I had already deleted the units out of the scenario and bought them new.
Now I have another problem:

I created a scenario where you have to rescue the 6th Army from Stalingrad. The player starts near the EH. There is a Russian hex that is also a SH for the Germans (red circle).

The player should be able to conquer the hex and then deploy the 6th Army there (which is undeployed in HQ). Then the player should escort the 6th Army to the EH.

Now to the problem: Ònce I've captured the SH, I can't deploy the 6th Army. When I load the savegame, the 6th Army can be seen among my troops, but it doesn't appear in HQ in the game and the in-game unit deployment panel is grayed out.

Important info: The 6th Army should only appear as reinforcements in the HQ (and currently does so), so that the player does not simply set them up right next to the EH in turn 1 and thus end the scenario.

Where is the mistake?

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2022-05-23 08:39, Monday

Could you load the scenario at HQ, press <Ctrl><B> and in the form add to the already ticked files the savegame prior to the scenario, so I can have a look to the problem faster ?

Major Heinz · Post by **Major Heinz** » 2022-05-23 16:39, Monday

I have send you the files. But I can say that I have found what probably made the mistake. The germans are undeployed on HQ and at the same time I found them deployed stacked on the northwestern edge of the map. I had moved them to another location to show you the units. Probably this problem came because I didn`t knowed how I can move the units back to HQ, sold them and bought new one. For some reason the units are still on the battlefield, while they are undeployed. But I don`t know how to fix that.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2022-05-23 18:05, Monday

In the save-game, the problem is that all 26 units for 6th army are set as reinforces located at (0,0) instead of just "Not deployed (HQ)"
You should remove reinforce turn to all of them if you want the player to choose deployment hexes, or set a proper location and keep as reinforces, if you want to appear in turn 2

In the scenario (trap26) they are properly set as HQ (not reinforces) so their location doesn't matter as you will pick hexes around the SH (airfield at 38,28) once you captured it: then, the "deploy" map menu option should become available

One question tough, if you want them to be deployed around the SH, why did you set so many DH (deployment hexes) around the EH (escape hex) ?
If you keep those DH and 6th army units are not reinforces, they can easily win the scenario, by deploying into the SH and escape much sooner than the Russian forces can harass them.

If you start a save-game taken at the end of previous scenario it should work as expected, otherwise send it to me (the previous save-game) and I'll check in case there is something else

Forgot to clarify: if you set a reinforce turn the unit won't appear at HQ but into the map. Reinforces must be:
- "undeployed (HQ)"
- have a location to appear.
- set a turn to appear,
all 3 conditions are required for reinforces.
Units at HQ not being reinforce turn defined, apear at HQ and player should deploy at "deployment hexes": DH for first HQ and SH for the rest of scenario.

Major Heinz · Post by **Major Heinz** » 2022-05-23 21:21, Monday

LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2022-05-23 18:05, Monday One question tough, if you want them to be deployed around the SH, why did you set so many DH (deployment hexes) around the EH (escape hex) ?
If you keep those DH and 6th army units are not reinforces, they can easily win the scenario, by deploying into the SH and escape much sooner than the Russian forces can harass them.

Thats exactly my design problem in the scenario. The player should make connection to the 6th Army and not be near of the 6th Army. And it is clear, that the EH should be near to the DH, because it it unlikely that the germans would have been able to capture a such long area that they can choose the escape direction.
If I let the 6th Army as no reinforcement, the player can drop them in turn 1 in the DH and win the scenario easily. If I set them as reinforcement, the 6th Army will have no chance agaist soviet T-34 if the player is not fast enough and ground condition is always a point that can change scenarios heavily. If I let the 6th Army come very late, the player has to wait several turns, before he can go on.
Now I have to think how I can change the scenario, that it is playable.

What a pity that undeployed reinforcements cannot be deployed in friedly SH.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2022-05-24 07:46, Tuesday

The only solution would be to set as reinforces and to arrive close to the SH but a later turn

Lama · Post by **Lama** » 2022-07-17 12:30, Sunday

Hi everyone

First please excuse me for asking dumb questions that probably were answered allready somewhere but I was unable to find them. I've been playing the PG 2 from the beginning also made some icons and maps but it was sooo long ago so everything about installing the game and setting things up is like quite new to me.
I've just installed Open General (universal installer) and tried to edit a save in the suite but the programm asks me to load "panzer2.dat". I'm unable to find it, when I load "OpenIcons.dat" instead some icons don;t show.
Please help.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2022-07-17 13:03, Sunday

Hi Lama

to OG forum

Lama wrote: ↑2022-07-17 12:30, Sunday I've just installed Open General (universal installer) and tried to edit a save in the suite but the programm asks me to load "panzer2.dat". I'm unable to find it, when I load "OpenIcons.dat" instead some icons don;t show.
Please help.

Be sure you are using OpenSuite (http://www.open-general.com/install/OpenSuite.zip) instead of PG2_Suite.
PG2 formats are mostly compatibles and are changed to OG formats when loaded in the game, but PG2_Suite cannot handle properly the new OG formats.

Lama · Post by **Lama** » 2022-07-17 22:24, Sunday

yes I'm using Open Suite for Open General v 5.0.73.2.16 Jul 2022
While LOADING A SAVE I GET a screen "select Datfile (Panzer2/Openi Icons) "and it asks me to find "PANZER2.DAT". When I load "OpenIcons.dat" from the main game folder it doesnt' show some icons.
By the way theres another screen saying "it looks like you dont have internet connection . Will you disable trying to acces internet until you acces Suite again?" but i have a connection.
Maybe I've got still some files form the previous install and it messes things up but I've tried to remove everything before installing open G and the Suite.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2022-07-18 09:45, Monday

Lama wrote: ↑2022-07-17 22:24, Sunday yes I'm using Open Suite for Open General v 5.0.73.2.16 Jul 2022
While LOADING A SAVE I GET a screen "select Datfile (Panzer2/Openi Icons) "and it asks me to find "PANZER2.DAT". When I load "OpenIcons.dat" from the main game folder it doesnt' show some icons.

Can you post a screenshot of the Suite's settings dialog, showing folders and options ?

By the way theres another screen saying "it looks like you dont have internet connection . Will you disable trying to acces internet until you acces Suite again?" but i have a connection.

I forgot to update the url for the current map server repo, as my website doesn't host maps already.

Edited:
It is fixed so 5.0.73.3 will be available tomorrow.

Duke Falcon · Post by **Duke Falcon** » 2022-09-04 06:08, Sunday

I post the following into the PeG sub-section albeit it literally belongs to here instead...

So:

Today I tried the conversion with the OG.exe to play test a bit...
Error with the units' loading occured:

...
GER30 not found, neither external nor in DatFile.dat
...

Of course there IS an openicons.dat but it uses the s16 files the conversion brought from the modwar.dat.
So, either OG not supports s16 anymore (what is sad because it not offers - or I not found - any direct s16\shp to png conversion) or in some cases the 6-letter icon names cause trouble (PeG used icons like BRIT16 without trouble, not sure OG could handle them properly albeit the Suite use and load everything without troubles).

hoza · Post by **hoza** » 2022-12-08 16:15, Thursday

LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2022-07-18 09:45, Monday
Lama wrote: ↑2022-07-17 22:24, Sunday yes I'm using Open Suite for Open General v 5.0.73.2.16 Jul 2022
While LOADING A SAVE I GET a screen "select Datfile (Panzer2/Openi Icons) "and it asks me to find "PANZER2.DAT". When I load "OpenIcons.dat" from the main game folder it doesnt' show some icons.
Can you post a screenshot of the Suite's settings dialog, showing folders and options ?

By the way theres another screen saying "it looks like you dont have internet connection . Will you disable trying to acces internet until you acces Suite again?" but i have a connection.
I forgot to update the url for the current map server repo, as my website doesn't host maps already.

Edited:
It is fixed so 5.0.73.3 will be available tomorrow.

I have this problem too. It occurred when I downloaded the newest version of Atomic e-file. After ignoring the internet missing message I get the scenario view but only with tiled maps.

Post by **randowe** » 2022-12-08 16:21, Thursday

hoza wrote: ↑2022-12-08 16:15, Thursday I have this problem too. It occurred when I downloaded the newest version of Atomic e-file. After ignoring the internet missing message I get the scenario view but only with tiled maps.

In Suite like Lama or in the game?

hoza · Post by **hoza** » 2022-12-08 16:27, Thursday

randowe wrote: ↑2022-12-08 16:21, Thursday
hoza wrote: ↑2022-12-08 16:15, Thursday I have this problem too. It occurred when I downloaded the newest version of Atomic e-file. After ignoring the internet missing message I get the scenario view but only with tiled maps.
In Suite like Lama or in the game?

only in Suite

Post by **randowe** » 2022-12-08 16:50, Thursday

hoza wrote: ↑2022-12-08 16:27, Thursday
randowe wrote: ↑2022-12-08 16:21, Thursday
hoza wrote: ↑2022-12-08 16:15, Thursday I have this problem too. It occurred when I downloaded the newest version of Atomic e-file. After ignoring the internet missing message I get the scenario view but only with tiled maps.
In Suite like Lama or in the game?
only in Suite

Maybe it is because you installed the newest version of OG recently.
Do the settings in Suite all point to the correct folders now?

hoza · Post by **hoza** » 2022-12-09 06:49, Friday

randowe wrote: ↑2022-12-08 16:50, Thursday
hoza wrote: ↑2022-12-08 16:27, Thursday
randowe wrote: ↑2022-12-08 16:21, Thursday

In Suite like Lama or in the game?
only in Suite
Maybe it is because you installed the newest version of OG recently.
Do the settings in Suite all point to the correct folders now?

Yes they do and Suite works for all the other e-files okay and shows .png maps

Post by **randowe** » 2022-12-09 15:00, Friday

If all of the links point ot the correct folder, i have no idea

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2022-12-09 23:14, Friday

I checked with me
It says there is no connection

However, the connection is there

hoza · Post by **hoza** » 2022-12-10 07:42, Saturday

Strange, I reorganized everything creating 2 OG-folders one with newest release which is needed for randowe and one with my old running games. And in the Suite get normal .png in randowes Weltkrieg and in my old saved games. But when I try to start a new scenario with a diferrent e-file this damned no connection message occurs and when I cancel it I am asked for a Map file and I do not know which one to choose and when I simply abort this question I get the correct map for the scenario but with tiles. OG and Suite are still surprise bags

By the way how can I upload screen shots to this Forum?

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2022-12-10 08:07, Saturday

sympatyk wrote: ↑2022-12-09 23:14, Friday

I checked with me
It says there is no connection

Thank you Grzegorz for your screenshot

I think I've figured what is the problem ... could you test again ?
(*) No changes in Suite required, only added a missing file file in server's map's repo

hoza · Post by **hoza** » 2022-12-10 08:36, Saturday

Thanks Luis everything works now

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2022-12-10 08:50, Saturday

Thank you Luis
It works perfectly

Could you relate to this thread?
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5&start=200#p15590

Duke Falcon · Post by **Duke Falcon** » 2022-12-13 16:55, Tuesday

Duke Falcon wrote: ↑2022-09-04 06:08, Sunday I post the following into the PeG sub-section albeit it literally belongs to here instead...

So:

Today I tried the conversion with the OG.exe to play test a bit...
Error with the units' loading occured:

...
GER30 not found, neither external nor in DatFile.dat
...

Of course there IS an openicons.dat but it uses the s16 files the conversion brought from the modwar.dat.
So, either OG not supports s16 anymore (what is sad because it not offers - or I not found - any direct s16\shp to png conversion) or in some cases the 6-letter icon names cause trouble (PeG used icons like BRIT16 without trouble, not sure OG could handle them properly albeit the Suite use and load everything without troubles).

Bumped

Profa · Post by **Profa** » 2023-01-23 22:57, Monday

Hello,

Suddenly there is no more sound while I click on the units, menus...I checked settings and everything looks ok.Explosions are still there.
Does anyone has an idea hot to fix it?

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2023-01-24 15:52, Tuesday

In the settings, the first slider should be set high - try to set max

Check if you have in SOUND directory - file - Click.mp3
Is it good? (test directly in the music program)

Profa · Post by **Profa** » 2023-01-25 16:25, Wednesday

Slider is set and clicking sound is available when I start OG.As soon as I load savegame it stops.Strange, as it always worked before.

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2023-01-25 16:55, Wednesday

Try with a different game engine ...

Profa · Post by **Profa** » 2023-01-29 14:15, Sunday

Currently I am playing old campaign, which requires old engine.It's not a big deal so I will keep it as it is for now.

Is there a forum option to insert picture from computer?Not from web hosting?
I would like to add it for campaign report.

Post by **randowe** » 2023-01-29 14:19, Sunday

Profa wrote: ↑2023-01-29 14:15, Sunday Is there a forum option to insert picture from computer?Not from web hosting?
I would like to add it for campaign report.

It is not possible to load pictures directly into the forum. You have to host them somewhere else first.