few more things for lovers and for probable end... i mean it is obviously interesting, containing many details that deserve second-third etc look and similar and since we are talking most important country of the era

and grandkids of St Lou

and grandkids of Anna, herself grandcutie of Enrico - of course interesting and demanded by all on continent ; ....mustsay first i do not get it how that quasi fell of horse and broken leg prevented Draguten being king from then, but atthe same time he successfully rode and participated in campaigns both with Miluten in Greece (same year of abdication), against "Bulgarian" lords but also as writen by himself and Hungarian allies or without them, rampaging some Magyar held lands etc. etc. So if we are to be realistic - whole story indeed stinks doesn't it

"broken leg" but really what to say, obviously it raised suspicion more internationally so it is close to what i'm saying i.e. some deal "holy one" to take from there - maybe just as i said as having good ties and lands on Byzant border promptly "arrest" Michael and force him to strart writing aoutbiography

really funny detailbut we laughed about it enough...
also like how - just insecurely and shy it mentiones how Helen was (quasi) against Anna's son Uroscio war against Ragusa, while his personal page says how she was "instrumental in war against it, even inspiring it etc"

so be smart after ; ...it was roughly times when Ragusa accepted more Venetian "vassalisation" but also not so far from paying us and sending troops etc. what you think, what of two options would be more likely for Helen Capet and in interests of both Louis (still alive then) and Charles, or you think it is more likely that Baldwin's line was behind?

lovely becuase it is again contradiction on 2 pages ; but also not important - we will not give foreign queens any "huge powers" (just kisses) and like they are "behind all" and to add of pure example why would Helen had anything to do with her son overthrow of her husband etc. ...or you think... ; well then....and more likely that some our 2 meter nobles had more prominent role in events, then 2 of them

but i want to believe that both were important, esp. Anna for 50 years of durability.... also btw, like as seen small and important detail that after Draguten "was forced" to give Helen own land - it was Miluten that provided entourage and company for her to go there etc. Considering all, frequent clashes and "civil" and other wars, it really is extraordinary how 2 of them endured and were unattacked for long here, btw
also detail, it would make Draguten in 1276 when he rose against papa half-Dandolo Urosh, some "32" which is almost "too old" for then (but not impossible indeed) as usually nobility waited "young kings" (prince) to reach some "around 20" to support him against paps, so Anna's son was maybe 25 at most (i imagined him older in one post if we accept some theory that Anna came here earlier), Dushan maybe only 19 (if we accept he was born in 1312, it is based on idea that our king named them "young kings" as title at 14 or 16 - so even 1310 - as his father named him in 1326, but maybe not rule) etc.... this is also not too important in general, but in our case powerful nobles and foreign (Dandolo)) agents looked prince to be younger and easily "advised", but really who knows - can you put your hand in fire when Louis was born etc. ;......but this is just personal thinking aloud and of course that any age is "legal or possible" for prince to start war with father )
to say also this for readers on the left-hand side of map ) that both Miluten and HIM Dusciano (talked so much about it, even totally undeservedly for HIM touching even Benito, who was only kid in times.....)) are recorded in offices of both Clement V and then ruling (and not so important maybe for continental history) Innocent VI (not-guilty Etienne, aka) who coincide with sending of Pierre Thomas and HIM's death - as two Serbian kings (Vatignon did not recognize him emperor title unlike Byzantines so he had to also declare himslef "firsborn of Christ" for further prestige)) who openly offered "union with catholic church", so it is funny also if you guess

....it was in reciprocity for some other deed from their side (HIM wanted to be captain, Miluten something, maybe president of North Italy etc)) ....irrelevant how honest offer was, and surely calculated but funny as fact that they offered it, in 2024 not so important and religion lostmuch sense for us all (except billions))
so you get it why they both are in some mist or denial and few lies had to be thrown on them, but what to do, it was different times than XVIII, XIX, and XX c people thought differently and there was not so much hate nor they ever touched us, let alone salted us ) .....simply, wherever you sit, in Belgrade, Venice, "isle-of-France" or now popular Mars or on Uranus considering lots of jobs and easy visa access, you cannot write our history of the times without looking at Italy and France, even German lands to extent but not much as two first are those that had "relatives" in our kings (in the west)..... unrelated, let's laugh again together at Stefan "who crushed Sigi" and in return Sigi grants him towns, influence and asks him first on questions ; - while Sigi was the one known as "easy on sword" and "killing around" those who he seen as threat

so of course things must stop once, think 700 and 600 years after is enough
also as only, despite older brother, carrying nick "holy/saint king", also one confirmation from Eng page on Draguten - SU II, Miluten really - so indeed could be speculated that "line continued with him" (despite alive and well older brother) by consensus from all (except poor Byzant) and maybe never had "horse riding incident" but not so important and what to do now, as i said nobody was "maybe" completely right, but you know - to paint "papal slap" and "Vespers" so "anti-Serb" toned is not right.........

great subject and don't mind humor, i'm gravely, "rascialy" serious about many things, i really hope all liked
as said there are indeed million details as "conversation strater" with my numerous Romantic readers ) and not every is important for history, but think this is enough about that page for all liking ; ...expecting your participation just any time )