Suite-OG. Questions & Bugs - Latest exe: 25.10.27.1 ( 28 -Oct-2025 )

none · Post by **none** » 2023-04-09 13:38, Sunday

Now I understand what Luis meant, and why this seemed to work so nicely: Actually OG deletes any and all units over 400 when you play the scenario!
Meaning they show just fine in the scenario, but when you play it, they're gone (right from the start)!...

I guess I'll have to avoid XXL maps -- The one I'm currently using has 204 enemy-owned hexes, among which a dozen VHs which would warrant some better protection, at least an additional artillery and an AA unit. That's around 250 static, harmless units just to prevent the player ripping through the map as fast as his troops will go, leaving me with only 150 AI units to slightly bother a (by now, scenario #8) over 90 units strong elite tank force... Clearly impossible.

Luis, please change the message of OpenSuite to clearly state that any unit over 400 will be deleted. Right now it only says "Player 2 has 413/400 units, won't buy new units in the game", which is just a very minor issue given it will start buying once the surplus has been culled.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2023-04-10 12:32, Monday

none wrote: ↑2023-04-09 13:38, Sunday Now I understand what Luis meant, and why this seemed to work so nicely: Actually OG deletes any and all units over 400 when you play the scenario!
Meaning they show just fine in the scenario, but when you play it, they're gone (right from the start)!...

I guess I'll have to avoid XXL maps -- The one I'm currently using has 204 enemy-owned hexes, among which a dozen VHs which would warrant some better protection, at least an additional artillery and an AA unit. That's around 250 static, harmless units just to prevent the player ripping through the map as fast as his troops will go, leaving me with only 150 AI units to slightly bother a (by now, scenario #8) over 90 units strong elite tank force... Clearly impossible.

Well, increasing the number of units allowed would be pretty easy to implement: editing a couple of lines and recompiling the OG.
But, that would break the agreement to keep OG stable: no new features/options, only changes to eventually fix critical bugs.

Luis, please change the message of OpenSuite to clearly state that any unit over 400 will be deleted. Right now it only says "Player 2 has 413/400 units, won't buy new units in the game", which is just a very minor issue given it will start buying once the surplus has been culled.

I'll change the Suite to warn clearly, that exceeding units will be removed when starting the game.

none · Post by **none** » 2023-04-10 12:52, Monday

LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2023-04-10 12:32, Monday But, that would break the agreement to keep OG stable: no new features/options, only changes to eventually fix critical bugs.

Would it? It's not a change per se: You can't possibly call this a "new feature or option"...

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2023-04-10 16:50, Monday

none wrote: ↑2023-04-10 12:52, Monday
LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2023-04-10 12:32, Monday But, that would break the agreement to keep OG stable: no new features/options, only changes to eventually fix critical bugs.
Would it? It's not a change per se: You can't possibly call this a "new feature or option"...

Yes, this would be a new feature - making as a new option is absolutely discarded - so it would break the agreement.

Anyway maybe you could solve the problem (when using big maps) by setting many towns with only flag (no owner) or without giving prestige, and then concentrate those 400 AI units in certain stronger positions instead of setting many weak garrison units which are anyway easy to destroy for an experienced task force advancing

methink

none · Post by **none** » 2023-04-10 18:15, Monday

LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2023-04-10 16:50, Monday concentrate those 400 AI units in certain stronger positions

I simply deleted the scenario and made a new one with a small map...

Yes, you're right, but this isn't really applicable in all scenarios: Often the bulk of enemy units is spent in reinforcements. Of course I can try to give the AI lots of prestige to buy stuff, but those units will arrive piecemeal, much easier to defend against than an occasional massive attack of 8-10 units. Also the AI doesn't always reliably buy reinforcements, despite having lots of prestige (>1000p!), I never understood why.
Oh well.

peedee · Post by **peedee** » 2023-04-11 07:45, Tuesday

I had an idee. If I remember right, it is that each player could have 400 units. If you take the player 4 , you could use it for the immobile garrisons, bunkers etc. The succession is Player 1, Player 2, Player 3(not used) and then Player 4. So you could have 400 + 400 units for the A.I.
I don't know, if this will work?

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2023-04-11 07:59, Tuesday

peedee wrote: ↑2023-04-11 07:45, Tuesday I had an idee. If I remember right, it is that each player could have 400 units. If you take the player 4 , you could use it for the immobile garrisons, bunkers etc. The succession is Player 1, Player 2, Player 3(not used) and then Player 4. So you could have 400 + 400 units for the A.I.
I don't know, if this will work?

No, if you set 4 players, each player can have only 200 units. 800 units total is the real limit.

none · Post by **none** » 2023-04-11 08:18, Tuesday

LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2023-04-11 07:59, Tuesday No, if you set 4 players, each player can have only 200 units. 800 units total is the real limit.

Too bad, just when I thought there might be a loophole...
I'd love to use big maps, after all I spent 2 years completely redoing my Equipment File to adapt it to bigger maps.

none · Post by **none** » 2024-01-28 17:46, Sunday

Fitting that I would post this just after that ^

Any news about an un-limited Open Suite able to make a 1600 units scenario?...

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2024-02-19 15:06, Monday

none wrote: ↑2024-01-28 17:46, Sunday Fitting that I would post this just after that ^

Any news about an un-limited Open Suite able to make a 1600 units scenario?...

Sorry no time to code, but not forgotten !!!

none · Post by **none** » 2024-02-19 17:17, Monday

Thanks!

I've "improved" my existing Blitzkrieg British Invasion scenario (map #50001) to 550 (AI) vs. 200+core (player), I'm play testing it right now and it runs just fine so far, but then again that's just 150 AI units over the old normal.
I plan to add some more XXL scenarios later in the campaign, and for those I'd really like to reach the 800 unit limit!...

Problem is the latest Open Suite simply refuses to buy more than the old number of units, and you can only go so far with copy/pasting/editing units.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2024-02-19 18:58, Monday

none wrote: ↑2024-02-19 17:17, Monday Thanks!
I've "improved" my existing Blitzkrieg British Invasion scenario (map #50001) to 550 (AI) vs. 200+core (player), I'm play testing it right now and it runs just fine so far, but then again that's just 150 AI units over the old normal.
I plan to add some more XXL scenarios later in the campaign, and for those I'd really like to reach the 800 unit limit!...
Problem is the latest Open Suite simply refuses to buy more than the old number of units, and you can only go so far with copy/pasting/editing units.

That's great ... but which release of Suite are you using ?

Latest Suite 5.0.73.8 released 01/01/2024 should allow you to raise up to 800 units per player if 2 players ( 1600 units total)

none · Post by **none** » 2024-02-20 08:18, Tuesday

LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2024-02-19 18:58, Monday That's great ... but which release of Suite are you using ?

Hah! I'm using the latest I was aware of, 5.0.73.7...

Great, 5.0.73.8 works! Thank you!

none · Post by **none** » 2024-02-25 17:20, Sunday

Small bug (probably): Apparently scenarios built/edited with 5.0.73.8 don't display the scenario title in the campaign editor anymore.

In other words:
Scenarios edited with 5.0.73.7 and earlier = The scenario list in the campaign editor displays scenario titles and dates.
Scenarios edited with 5.0.73.8 = The scenario list in the campaign editor only displays the scenario date (that's why I know it did recognize the scenario). It still does display the title for scenarios made with older Open Suite versions though, so apparently it's the way Open Suite stores the scenario title which has changed.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2024-07-19 17:34, Friday

List of changes posted but lost by the server failure

Changes from 5.0.73.8 to 5.0.73.13 (can also check at my website)

73.9
Units' structure changed to allow tracking units killed in scenario and totals
Required for OpenGen"0.93.5.RC3 and newer versions
73.10
Added new efile special to allow a transport become a Depot at load time. This let submarines to supply other units by assigning a naval transport with this special
remember using $sub_buytra to allow these transports to be purchased from game.
73.11
DOSSIER struct expanded to track all cruisers' kills and loses separately instead of accumulated.
New special "Supply Unit" added to efile, allowing any transport used as organic transport to convert the main unit behave as a "Supply Unit"
Fixed an issue with leaders
73.12
Added $Rem_lader (reject/remove a leader) to toolbar's "Edit CFG file" (aka CFG Editor)
Fixed a few issues yet with leaders
73.13
Campaign editor didn't show scenario title

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2025-08-25 12:39, Monday

Luis, if you have the time, please.

Slight inconsistency.
I want to load a map image --> Scenario - Map View specific Options - Load Picture file (png, jpg, bmp, or gif)

A window opens where I can only load a png map --> I can only select a png/bmp file from the drop-down list.
JPG files cannot be selected!

There's a workaround, of course... but...

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-08-25 14:45, Monday

sympatyk wrote: ↑2025-08-25 12:39, Monday There's a workaround, of course... but...

Yes, of course if you replace ".png" with ".jpg" you can load a .jpg file, but yes, you are right, and I'll fix to be easier.
Thanks for reporting

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2025-08-26 10:18, Tuesday

Thank you very much, Luis.

I just don't understand one thing: Why does Suite want to connect to the internet? (Why does it say there's no connection, even though there is internet?)

That's why I asked if Suite downloads maps automatically (it should).

LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2025-08-24 11:14, Sunday
I have a question: the game automatically downloads maps if they're missing. Does the current Suite also have this option?
No, Suite doesn't download automatically missing maps when opening a scenario or save game, you need to use the "Check files" View (the initial view) to check missing maps in the campaigns or scenarios belonging to the efile selected, and download any.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-08-26 13:34, Tuesday

sympatyk wrote: ↑2025-08-26 10:18, Tuesday

I just don't understand one thing: Why does Suite want to connect to the internet? (Why does it say there's no connection, even though there is internet?)

I neither understand ... in fact I never get that message

I checked my config and I have enabled internet connection, that is anticked: "Disable connection internet"
I checked ticked and anticked and never get that message.

I'll check the code to find where is launched that pop up

EDITED:

Why does it say there's no connection, even though there is internet?

Because it is trying to download maps from deprecated servers ...

I've checked the code and Suite needs a kind of overhaul regarding missing maps to work using same servers than OG and same routines.
And probably it needs also to update a few routines checking missing files too.

Btw, I yet don't understand how you can see the pop-up message just loading the Suite, I had to click on any button checking something to raise it.

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2025-08-27 10:43, Wednesday

This pop-up window doesn't appear every time.

I think it's related to scenarios/campaigns that were created for PG2 (they were based on .scn and .cam files). Although they were later converted to xscn files, this was in the old days --> currently converted campaigns, they no longer have this after conversion.

Additionally, the message I showed also appears in the game for a very short time (for campaigns converted from .cam and .scn files a long time ago).
viewtopic.php?p=20222#p20222
This happens both in the Suite and in the game when loading the map (currently, after minor corrections and editing the H01 campaign - which is shown in the video --> in the new version of the Suite --> everything is fine in the game and in the Suite).

Another video also shows the moment when converting a PG2 campaign to the current version. Standard - a window appears
Topic: Converting PG2 campaigns - OG
viewtopic.php?p=20320#p20320

Video - -time - forty-fifth second of the video
userfiles/Instr_konwe_do_OG.avi

And one more clue: --> in my MAP folder, there are only images for maps --> map files, mapx files are in MAPFILES

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-08-30 16:04, Saturday

I think the reason for these issues is that open-general.com server is checked before the .pl one and since the las break down it is never reached returning a 301 HTTP error code, which is surely due to the internal mapping of the folder where the maps are actually allocated.

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2025-08-30 18:08, Saturday

The og_repos file - was supposed to set the order --> it should be read first --> the pl server is entered there first...

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-08-30 18:23, Saturday

sympatyk wrote: ↑2025-08-30 18:08, Saturday
The og_repos file - was supposed to set the order --> it should be read first --> the pl server is entered there first...

Yes, servers are checked according to that list, but OG (and Suite in the next version) tries to access all the servers in the list first to set up the definitive list of available servers it will use to try to download any missing file required.

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2025-08-30 19:42, Saturday

Thanks for the clarification.

Should Kowdar or Csaba do something? (server malfunctioning)

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-08-31 09:25, Sunday

sympatyk wrote: ↑2025-08-30 19:42, Saturday Thanks for the clarification.

Should Kowdar or Csaba do something? (server malfunctioning)

No server malfunctioning ... it was my fault

Luckily, Kowdar saved my day !!!
I forgot that open-general.com is using HTTPS instead of HTTP and I had a flag to avoid redirecting when trying to access maps in OG server

And that is also the reason that OG does not download maps lately

As soon as I tested OG and Suite DL mechanics, I'll release the fixed versions.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-09-01 16:43, Monday

I've committed version 25.09.01.0 to OG server, and so, it will be available tomorrow to DL
Fixes;
* Fixed a bug avoiding downloading maps from OG map server
* Also downloading from alternative server (.pl) after failing from OG server, was not working either.

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2025-09-02 06:49, Tuesday

Thanks for the fixed OpenGen and Suite

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-09-11 11:41, Thursday

I am working out to fix an issue found out by Jaro.

When a unit is set to follow another one with a higher global unit number, and you remove one or more units with lower global unit number than the leading (kind of dynamic objective) unit, the link is broken between the follower units and the leading one.

I think I've found out the reason, and I am currently testing the several possible combinations to be sure the issue is fixed.

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2025-10-15 10:10, Wednesday

Hello Luis
I have a request.
Is it possible to change the maximum value entered in the prototype selection window from 12 to 60 months?

I would be very grateful.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-10-15 17:55, Wednesday

sympatyk wrote: ↑2025-10-15 10:10, Wednesday

Hello Luis
I have a request.
Is it possible to change the maximum value entered in the prototype selection window from 12 to 60 months?

I would be very grateful.

Wow, 5 years for protos is a long time ahead

I'll check Suite and Game as soon as I get back next weekend

sympatyk · Post by **sympatyk** » 2025-10-15 20:05, Wednesday

Thank you.
This is for modern campaigns.

In modern times, the period from prototype development to entry into service is often a dozen or so years.
For example: 'AH-64A Apache', prototype 1975, production began 1982, entry into service 1986.

Post by **Jaro** » 2025-10-28 09:08, Tuesday

I don't know if it is Windows or there is something wrong with the latest Suite 25.10.27.0. MS Defender find a virus:
Trojan:Script/Wacatac.B!ml

none · Post by **none** » 2025-10-28 10:08, Tuesday

Where can I find that updated Open Suite?

It is not included in the Core files, and on Luis' "tools" page I only see the download for the previous (September) Open Suite.

I won't download the whole full installer just to get Open Suite...

PS: Luis, there is a minor issue with your site certificate:

Firefox does not trust this site because it uses a certificate that is not valid for luis-guzman.com. The certificate is only valid for the following names: forum.open-general.com, luis-tools.open-general.com, www.luis-guzman.com, www.open-general.com

(All links to your site on the open-general.com downloads page point to "luis-guzman.com" without a "www.")

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-10-28 10:12, Tuesday

Jaro wrote: ↑2025-10-28 09:08, Tuesday I don't know if it is Windows or there is something wrong with the latest Suite 25.10.27.0. MS Defender find a virus:
Trojan:Script/Wacatac.B!ml

I always pass defender to my development folders before compiling, and then again before committing to the SVN repo.
Anyway, I've checked again and my MS_Defender didn't find any

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-10-28 10:15, Tuesday

none wrote: ↑2025-10-28 10:08, Tuesday Where can I find that updated Open Suite?
It is not included in the Core files, and on Luis' "tools" page I only see the download for the previous (September) Open Suite.

I won't download the whole full installer just to get Open Suite...

Can get from Open General website (updated packages) : https://www.open-general.com/install/OpenSuite.zip

PS: Luis, there is a minor issue with your site certificate:
Firefox does not trust this site because it uses a certificate that is not valid for luis-guzman.com. The certificate is only valid for the following names: forum.open-general.com, luis-tools.open-general.com, www.luis-guzman.com, www.open-general.com
(All links to your site on the open-general.com downloads page point to "luis-guzman.com" without a "www.")

I'll check that. thanks!

none · Post by **none** » 2025-10-28 10:27, Tuesday

Thanks, got it.
Suggestion: Wouldn't it be an idea to include it with the Core update files, since now you always update OpenGen and Suite together?

As about the virus alert, it's clearly a false positive. I sent Open Suite through VirusTotal and the result is telling: While Microsoft flags it indeed as "Wacatac.B!ml", the 71 other antivirus solutions (among them way more serious ones) don't find anything to complain about...

Problem is, everybody on Windows has MS Defender, and this alert will most likely worry less computer-savvy users.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-10-28 16:25, Tuesday

OpenSuite updated will be available tomorrow, fixing the glitch reported in the protos dialog

Post by **Jaro** » 2025-10-28 20:50, Tuesday

Spotted hexes in Suite:
- Suite doesn't consider attachments (recon) and leaders when displaying spotted hexes
- Is it possible to check all spotted hexes by all AI units?

Suite also doesn't consider attachments when display unit range - movement (maybe Leaders as well).
And maybe fire range as well (leaders)

none · Post by **none** » 2025-10-29 06:55, Wednesday

Jaro wrote: ↑2025-10-28 20:50, Tuesday - Is it possible to check all spotted hexes by all AI units?

Yes: With the "spotting" checkbox checked, deselect any unit (click on empty terrain), and you will get spotting range for both sides, red for AI, black for player.

Jaro wrote: ↑2025-10-28 20:50, TuesdaySuite also doesn't consider attachments when display unit range - movement (maybe Leaders as well).

Indeed, that has always been so, Suite doesn't take account of attachments and Leaders.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-10-29 07:49, Wednesday

none wrote: ↑2025-10-29 06:55, Wednesday
Jaro wrote: ↑2025-10-28 20:50, TuesdaySuite also doesn't consider attachments when display unit range - movement (maybe Leaders as well).
Indeed, that has always been so, Suite doesn't take account of attachments and Leaders.

I'll check what I can do

Post by **Jaro** » 2025-10-29 08:10, Wednesday

Thx Luis.

Post by **LuisGuzman** » 2025-10-29 12:35, Wednesday

LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2025-10-29 07:49, Wednesday
none wrote: ↑2025-10-29 06:55, Wednesday
Jaro wrote: ↑2025-10-28 20:50, TuesdaySuite also doesn't consider attachments when display unit range - movement (maybe Leaders as well).
Indeed, that has always been so, Suite doesn't take account of attachments and Leaders.
I'll check what I can do

I've checked this and the reason is that Suite doesn't load the effective (efile, cam or scen) config files as OG does, and thus cannot consider attachments and other settings based on config files.

Leaders are used though, at least to increase the unit's spot; later on, I'll check movement and range of fire.

Anyway, adding config files management in Suite, is a very time-consuming work, and I'd say we can still live without that for a time, while I'm focused on the AI thing, isn't?

Edited:
If you all want to consider attachments with default bonus/malus, that would be easier, but I think is better keep as it is now.

Regarding range of fire, only movement, only MARKSMAN is checked now, and so I am adding LEADER_BATTLESHIP, LEADER_BCRUISER and LEADER_CUISER

none · Post by **none** » 2025-10-29 15:08, Wednesday

LuisGuzman wrote: ↑2025-10-29 12:35, Wednesday I'd say we can still live without that for a time

Yes, I'd vote "not very important" indeed. Once you know it, it's easy to extrapolate while placing units. I for one am used to it...

There are more annoying quirks in Open Suite, IMHO at least, like the fact every time you buy a unit you immediately land on the deployment menu - I buy with pauses because of AI settings, i.e. I buy a specific unit type (for instance one infantry unit supposed to guard a hex), quit the purchase menu, set its behavior (aggressive/defensive, anchored, turn it appears at, etc.), duplicate it with copy/paste to get the number of similar units I'll need (like the dozens of infantry units I'll need to protect the important hexes), then buy another type of unit (let's say an artillery unit), configure and duplicate that, and only in the end I deploy everybody, and change/adapt individual units as required... Spares me having to enter manually a hundred identical unit settings (Default AI setting is for AI purchased units, and thus always on "aggressive").
(Not a request to change, just saying. I assume everybody has his own work flow and thus his own pet peeves)

Post by **Jaro** » 2025-10-29 18:19, Wednesday

Luis, sure there are more important things than adding config files to suite to have a proper visibility range.