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...as said i reject theories of Serb German origin (as well as Sarmat but some around, might be maybe more as they moved form some area more sourceful) while similarity with some "Suebi" for example exists etc (ironically it is our not pejorative but folk terms for Germs) not so much on racial basis but as talked and won't repeat, on linguistical as number of germanisms is not enough for it, as well as sarmatisms... to me most likely highly romainised as number of latinisms is proportionally much higher and way of (esp. old) is closest to elite Latin etc.

lighter theme, wasn't much today.... you know why Germans were highly handicaped compared to Italians, us, Greeks (for known examples) in way that we never could recognize them as "truly Roman emperors" in some classical sense or early empire, Kesarian till Vespasianus to say ; ...well no matter how muchthey tried somehow they couldn't make "imperial German bodyguards" as all their imperial troops were German anyway :lol so no that clear disctinction and something we could do :)

for end, as i doubt that people in the west know also... Greeks are constantly avoiding Dushan, there was no recorded bigger battle just some towns changed hands, sieges and similar.... both Kantakouzenos and Paleologos troops never gave any bigger battle, and both tried to make him ally etc. Kanta holds field army in Thrace around 1350 mainly because of Dushan, but takes it back during Venice-Genova war, but mostly avoidance of battle.... strange avoidance in both east and west, but it was not "fear" as some our historians put, it was something else and i tried to explain to extent... so i always laugh at Pierre-Peter Thomas, it really is funny "he wants to conquer Byzant and we cant do anything about it" for example.... yeah to put some light, Dushan talks with French papacy in his final years, offering them union, demanding title "captain of Europe" etc. - but as both Andrea and Ludwig (years ago) are dead and Colonnas without much say to any important ruler except HIM etc so was "isolated" in moment and so on..... as said, watched "the name of the rose" first time in the 80s or early 90s, of course knowing nothing, but was relatively ppopular and repeated film on our then TVs... probably sense, when i started to understand its plot was "what we had to do with these western eventsand papa-Jacques".... today all can say "oh you mean....".... million time repeat it would be awful if Umberto died without at least some title from us, so he gained doctorate properly :yes lovely and hopfully helpful to all lovers.... it was some struggle maybe raging and changing tone and parties since "fall of Ruma" basically, we involved very much...
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and BTW again, not to be some logical and historical mistake in interpret - non of our Nemanjic kings was completely some "Byzantophile" nor clash between them in dynasty was ever basically of some east and west-chruches in substance, just people to understand... when they clashed between themselves, brothers, half-bros, father-son etc. non of them was "we are going to catholics or Byzant, we are their world" :) and similar.... so cute example (older Miluten is other but we talked him enough) is SU III i.e. Stefan Dechanski nicked.... he wasn't "eastern" king (to say so for definition), he cooped very good with franciscans as well, less good with Hungary of time (that's real substance in some our internal clashes) and during his time Paleolog Byzantine empire and Second Bulgar made a pact for attack on Rascia (often use this exonym as somehow med Serbia wasn't similar to today and to make distinction with earlier states etc).... so in short he was very much also like many other our kings and had same western ties etc. it was not in core any east-west churches clash.... why he and Dushan clashed not completely clear, maybe more aggressive nobility (as is quasi story) or Dechanski was indeed more autoritarian figure, fighting anyone against him to extent or he wanted to side Dushan for younger half-brother etc etc. No clear answer but it is idiotic to understand HIM as some "western player" and Dechanski some "eastern/Byzantine" as it is wrong ;) ....similar is with Miluten again in one sentence - when he clashes with his half-brother later in life it is maybe more some "pro papal and pro Hungarian faction" versus some Miluten stand and as said he calls French papacy to help etc... so, not to waste words not east-west clash nor "pro Byzant vs pro west" etc. by very wrong ;) interprets....

in our case it was always (more closely to truth while we don't know all details) some "factions and more pro papal or Hungarian or even Luxembourg house versus some Dandolo Colonna, anti-papal etc etc.... none of our kings from dynasty was completely Byzant friendly nor would ever submit to them, while Byzantine artists, wives were present etc. among them, to understand it properly if lover, as said understanding our medieval history is "important" for us, merely not to have wrong fame about figures and not to think that some clashes were of totally wrong substance.... today of course it is not appliable as every normal, freedom loving person likes just North Korea or Iran :lol .....always join and lets look at some story from you, if from principessa of course few quests and what's new there in some interprets, your country and clashes there was most important for time history )
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and beside given guidances on reading middle ages, other one - maybe most important :) - is that deep i.e. details knowledge is required ; ...it is indeed more about details and personalities on functions than functions, lines, branches and positions themselves etc.... while not true that negating factional and even greater groupings is irrelevant, but finding some balance

so things like "papacy", "French crown" or "French papacy" last esp. big construction often used, maybe not so "French" as some think but yes, no need to soften it up - rarely ever French pope, even those predating infamous Avignon times and there were few, was ready to punch important French figures :) like kings or Stefan Anjou for example etc.... but it is construction, verbal and historical "Frank papalitaat" ;...so what saying, details above constructions... why saying, Milten talked most with Clement (and i deeply believe with Philip via him) though he continued with papa-Jacques as well, but he was more ready to punch him :) and wasn't so much French crown pope, while was as followed etc.... basically again construction, even i forced to use sometimes so pardon my horny rose ) for incorrect terms etc. but was "French friendlier" than most of us when it comes to punches :) ...BUT it was Colonna Clement and Philip (and Miluten) versus later more Orsini ifluenced papa-Jacques, there were BTW few Jacques among, even in time consequence - but i always call "John XXII" as mostly, reallylonger rule and punched most of us of "ghibelline old Capet try" faction...

details, details, that is medievalism in core and basics, so detailed knowledge and personalities as said who likes... of course during discourses i also made many mistakes which i corrected via personally forgotten/not being cared/not known etc. details and always totally disregarded narratives and got this final versions etc. of course it is not just mine but product of investigations and similar to many historians i guess etc.... so it might be that more "fall of Tusculum" created our dynasty indirectly than "fall of Constant" etc. for starting point...... about other things i did not even talk so will talk later ..... :lol joking this is the end until you join P.

fun fact, while it is Italian name of guess no monopoly, liked how few Orsinis were named Napoleon :) ...but totally unimportant and merely fine joke as i few times tried to connect famous Napoleon with Philip's debt to Miluten and similar things, so very funny and just that
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also to say for other lovers of themes, mainly French (or Occitan etc) is detail i liked very much about papa-Jacques, great pope btw who always was photographed with waving 3 fingers :) .....namely he almost, considering how tense situation was (but he also was relatively forceles in central Italy at moment) in those years, was close to also enter books as first pope to destroy and salt Rome :) ...one cardinal Orsini, mainly because Sarra and gang there, placed it under interdict, least severe of all sanctions in their repertoir etc. and is unknown what was papal stand (but he wouldn't do it without pope knowing) but could be said it was Jacques decision, not big violation of history...... so imagine just how great it would be if one pope salted Rome, i joked so much about Palestrina alone but this would be gross and i would never stop :) ....while that interdict wasn't first in history of Rome (but very rare) it was unique considering huge electricity and Sarra inthere etc - for lovers of papal history big story how close it was to Jacques enter history books on theme as first pope to salt Rome, almost as big as story of ones before that "raped nuns" (allegedly, those are all stories often used to attack figures)

so like papa-Jaques, papa Scarface ) and much much like St Sarra (only in Serb orthodox-catholicism-pagan church though, for now, but i wrote to now dead pope about ideas but now doubt it will be realized with his passing etc) Sara one of my heroes of mid ages, so he almost also led to first papal salting of Rome :) great events and glad we took part, almost gained one (quasi as he never declared) crusade from papa-Jacques, we would be really meaningless without it as he did it with Geramny, England and how to miss us :) but he was great and most loved pope in Albania :lol .... lovely stories no sarcasm but with usual humor, if you have any hobbies or story, always share. Papal histories always eventful and interesting, even have quest for eventual American lovers, why they think Innocent and Gregory are only two represented on that congressional relief etc Innocent (now think not really relative maybe, some confusion just maybe) is also characteristic in many ways - interdicted half of Europe in some times, but couldn't do anything to us as we were not kingdom yet.... for long confusion was present who really elevated Rascia to kingdom, even today many think him and many years are dubious as seen, but it seems now it is semi-official that it was Honorius III, not on your releif and from Salvini family :) (Saveli, Sabines, a bit neutral and also obscure family in all things, guess Colonna wish) etc etc... but might be him by some interprets - sent us crown just before he excommunicated all Nemanides forever :)

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Honorius III - as name says :) - to say to our history lovers from head, was relatively "OK" pope but far, far from perfect as he supported Louis VIII of France expansion south etc. Avignon became more French etc etc but compared to many others :) .... what is interesting from not so huge bio is that he was Roman born and loved by people of city, unlike even many Italian popes not often from city itself and he has tie with us.... there was rarely "good pope" and why i ask Americans for example (except their some ties/regulations with Jews of his time as obvious, but even there controversial) what else makes those two special etc.... since there i ask Euro youth :) who is your fav med papa and why - write on subject to me :p

regarding us, why i also say dubious (among other things)) was it he or Inokent as he had practice to just confirm previous papal decissions, so our elevation might be one of them while original by Inokent, lets say eaten :) ...but no reason not to accept it was him etc. nor crucial.... short explain to readers - title "king of Serbia" or "of Serbs" was controversial and disputed thing in time, as said even Emeric of Hungary claimed it. Maybe even having some "ancient weight" and why Romans found themselves "obliged" to intervene and judge on subject, for example also, and why Italian queen was needed, also for example ;... there was most likely no crowning nor crown, while legate was probably present, as besides thing said it was understood that "crown is already there" and title "king of Serbs/ia" should just be transfered etc.... to get some rough, and very shortened, picture what were controversies in all that, who did it, why, who had right.... maybe one of the reasons (like many of our symbolism btw) why even republic restored it on flag, though seems illogical maybe to confirm its "ancient weight" etc. and why it goes with 3 fingers and aquila and "temple" :) ....we are funny but true details on disputes and hopefully understoond, could be joint decission by both Inoken and Honorius etc... btw, not so important as it was often practice in times, but for fun events before given title also to some extent looked like Italians - as few decades before Ras fort was also salted and ruined etc :) ....as said write to me on given subjects, if we around :)
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yes, again i find it interesting so to repeat here how many symbolism we accepted (or kept hehe) and many others abandoned but were their etc. from "sacra privata" to right shoulder cross, kolo-dance :) so also that 3 fingers and really many more.... forgot lesson nor important in details, basically Roman maybe some gesture by pontifex maximus etc (meaning Mars, Servius and then Uranus)).... like many that lived through middle ages but died out in many parts and in others if survived totally lost origin trace or idea what is it etc. mutated. Many are such examples from really "death skull" as from Roman times via us further, and talking about it all is sadly always "anecdotal" but it doesn't mean untrue, just can't be traced so hardly any photo of old Rome survived (and if it did it would be eaten or is in some Vaticanus kelia))

so shortly anecdotaly on 3 fingers... maybe you know that story that all/majority of modern army salutes date to some med knights raising often helmet-visors, also anecdote but maybe true... in this case for us (and why it remained in us also) is not just religious and maybe like others, so anecdotaly again our knights "signaled" with 3 fingers to both enemy and friend (and among themselves) as "it was judged in Rome or by Romans" or "it is our" or even just "Romans" etc. to get some picture (while for others maybe just religious meaning, but for us almost national signal)... no source of course so it remains story as many, but i again say that somethimes some stories might be 100% truth, while this case not so important.... like those stories nonetheless, and always remember as i also repeat - few centuries changed a lot in understanding of true origins of many rituals, words, even whole nations :lol lovely as many, imagine knights waving it to someone and it makes some impression ; ....for other things mantioned, really self-explainable all, and no some anecdotes.... talked "sacra privata" talked dancing talked very much else.... i always say, for those doubtful, while there are speculations, zero fantasy and Italians/Romans/Venetians/etc are no idiots and we were deeply in Roman affairs and ties... give something yours
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one thing, not bad to repeat now as i often don't say it concretely guessing that many know, that avoided both most fans but also many historians on subject and why it had that "weight" not just Murus or this or that - today is known, but it was also known for few knowledgeable and Romans above all that Serbia is whole Rome empire considered (but in less classical sense) country with most Roman emperors births after Italy... that's one dimension, other important for era of course is that in year 1200 (for example and before during Barba-Nemanja meeting etc) same country was birthplace of both Constantine and Licinus... no need for further explain and why skilful play by our dynasty of origin from one of them etc. and why even respect from Germans ("Romans") French and all.... so important moment for fans and always should be minded, today most of us people ask which Licinius and Constantine but then it was "wow!" and (for example) it surely impressed Barbarella etc etc.

something modern, watched for minute French and other TVs - mainly watch it really shortly, while not knowing language but it is a bit ekavian more than others ) so watch it because it is my horny rose and just for pictures and to try to guess are female presenters of Norman, Frank or Occitan origin, or third :lol etc. And hoping to see Macron finally go out and makes annoucement to nation and world: "Blanche of Louis WAS queen of Serbia!" :) ...but watch others as well, mostly by time amount pricipessa talks - so seen some "fresh" report from "repertoirs sans frontieres" :) (aka open legs and arms reporters) and I'm proud that we are redest-badest state on continent, except few not completely continental etc. You have to always "jump out" by something in any time so we are managing always :) ...not so important and it is just "AFP" falschists but what made me smile is that USA is "situation problematique" and "good situation" is only on Greenland, North and south pole :) without much population at all... and Scandinavians.... philosophically always wonder how come, as we really inheritated a lot from Italians or Greeks, have that "southern feel" with cosa nostra, riposta vostra - so how some close to Vikings did not follow same pattern of Scandinavian way of life i.e. way of rule, govt transparency etc etc. ;) ....all for pub fun and life, while my love is medievalism and always join with something there, we are all history lovers here more or less....
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thought a lot about Blanche, really is it some hidden message by telling that she was "most photographed woman of our middle ages" (although many places related to her are ruined as said)... i mean why would it be if just some relative of Baldwin or Stefan Anjou, not even his daughter? Simply not enough for such fame if you ask me or reasonably said, but if she was from Frankish crown it would confirm such rating etc ; ...btw, even if we accept Blanche as chance and we even accept dates about her as "pedantistic" in France and we don't accept our as even closely true (as was case, we don't know even birth of HIM and it ranges by 6 years etc) in time of birth of Miluten she could still be even 18 or 19, or 16 at worst.... SU I "the rugged" (again we know only some circa date of his birth) could be even below 30 - considering all not so shameful or disturbing ;) so could be even in that sense, while i agree 110% that Dragutin was obviously just half-brother by Rugged one and maybe just some lover (he was very young obviously) or maybe some Hungarian or rival to Dandolo Venetian or Italian woman, to speculate - but generally no need, but for story just to "put him in trouble" as having extra-marriage affair..... so that is what i accepted and really glad that French historian agrees it was possible, he looked at dates, practices of Capets and even structures etc. Even if it wasn't Blanche herself, just other maybe even older (also maybe outside marriage)) daughter of Loius....... French BTW have practice - and precedents are important - to "hide" things related to "us", not only 1204 :) but generally closer to modernity as i gave example of "hidden" fact that misje Barthou was killed by French cop (not only bullet but also few strikes with sword as he was closest to our king.... just joking)) but also Napoleon who hid letters, debts ) and of course that our king Pierre, ex-French commando was sent here to dethrone "too Germanic" line and puch Austria, old foe :) etc..... already wrote impression to French (esp. Frankish as Blanche was of them) women of middle ages so no repeat - true heroines as they lived beside such known sex-maniacs as Frenchmen :) and also as same Frenchmen died almost wherever they fought in thousands, but they supplied new Frenchmen endlessly :) ...lovely, like that theory very much and fits in many way :yes

something else wanted to say.... there are matrixes in facts about foreign figures related to us so mentioned vampirism and life after death by some (Michael and Raniero Dandolo among more) but also lovely how Ludwig Bavarian had few "dead daughters" but would be too much to think that "Helen" of HIM was in fact some Bavarian princess :) ... just joking here, even ages of Ludwig's daughters do not remotely fit for marriage with HIM but noticed as fact. so he sent Elisabeth of his co-ruler, who was killed somewhere i don't understand where exactly but she was killed and story of her words (even changed) "stinks" to say mildly..... only thing i guess as possible that he actually seen Dushan and then died, and in that case could accept fear as he was really impressive figure and she maybe 150 cm ; but generally story stinks... always is question, to say for maybe US readers as guess E-lovers know - of interests to ruin or change sources in the west about us in the west, while east and Phanariots etc. quite obvious... simply, as state fell out of memory almost evryone around had some interest to change it, Austria new power as well, Hungary to extent etc (but they all aslo kept some facts)....only Brits (hope you had few good dinners with our silver plates) and Italians knew some facts and our role, but anyway shouldn't be going to other extreme - facts were different, changed or masked and our say in events as well, but not most important of all etc etc. some balance... they were all disappointed as we - so important and great! - didn't listen to papas and mamas, or (from Greek side) betrayed Romea and already changed it during times etc etc others jumped in.... but i say it is lovely, and allowed for great hobby or speculations :) and for historians great room to improve their detective skills, esp. on questions of 3-4 figures

nonetheless, serious about Blanche as theory (or other unknown one) and hope i wrote nice, emotional letter to French women :) ....glad we made one monumental, even naked around, but too small for my ideas ).... dedicated this to her mostly and Frenchwomen generally, but went wider as always.... somehow feeling is that French knights weren't such heroes and "best cavalry" around and always died evrywhere but them.....only now i understand that myth of "Joan" :lol or Jeanne and it almost sounds like "woman" in our language....but that is myth as well, they mostly stayed home and waited letters about dead husbands :) and then new French arrived etc.... to say as my last words, even papa-Jacques if we take aggressiveness and dead bodies count wasn't so bad, but i'm with doctor Eco and Italians on this :) ...worst ever and huge apetite for docs :)

Blanche, Anna (the queen) and Jaquinta - great movies esp. if we add fame, secrecy or similar around :yes ... and Elena Gattilusuio, she was such "despotina" :) ...always remember - when Konstantin wrote his work, Stefan was dead and nothing approved by him ;) ...ooor, black George what have you done :) (maybe they even had kids but George "erased" them all.....) ....that much, share some hobby
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what should we talk today, my dears....

just shortly as is funny.... concepts so "batrayal" (guess by minority) as for example our stand with Byzant empire - biggest foe for centuries :) ...or by some, "betrayal" of Bulgaria, biggest foes for centuries :) and so on, in modern times people also like to use it, having some concepts in their heads and like some "betrayals" if for example England one day take different stand to US, or someone to death and destruction :) etc... so it is funny concept when it comes to countries, can be only personal, for example if we take epic story (but not truth) of Vukashin ending Nemanide line, and possibly Dushan made him powerful or anything etc. Those are betrayals, between countries no, makes it even more funny in given examples of us and Byzant or Bulgaria with 1000 wars before some moment ) ....so i said it more poetically in case of Greeks i.e. Byzant, really don't know what is reason as acting by us and Venice was expected ) and maybe later "Imperial city" (say that it was also old name, informal, by our noblity for much longer exactly to not mention Constantine, usurper)) clergy wasn't because of "betrayal" concept in their head, just oportunistic moment to change and erase some knowledge so Ecumenical patriarch could dominate all etc etc... more poetic by me, question is for Greeks why they didn't protect more Nemanide sites etc... but today they are sisters

but France is philosophically much more interesting case and how it managed to stabilize and keep name from "isle" through ages.... and of course our relations, almost romantic at moments when they "with steam from their noses" see Anglo-Saxons on Constant walls, that previously beaten us :) ...and they storm them instantly ) ...and then they both, Venice and Capets give us queens :) .... but somehow our silver plates do finish in England :) in their tunics to satirize as some Italian comic-books :) ....somehow i don't see any "religious cause" or hate in event, to me more "French noble cause to defend us" and crown :) as targets were exactly "usurper Emeric" and Byzant.... people always say Venice but Venetian marines behaved more passive and Enrico was 150, both at Zara and Constant French knights (even after hearing Inokent sanctions) advanced etc... so, as some called other crusades as religious wars and "defenses of Sepultura", fourth could be called "defense of just spread Serbia" ;) and most noble of all :lol lovely, while we know more or less, this more for international readers

it is nice when you connect some dots in that line - Honorius and us, but he also turns the blind eye to French "expansion", we grateful to French for previous "defense" they grateful to us "defend us" for revious expansion promise firstborn daughter and so on, rest is history... same is as i said with German emperors which sometimes did the same due to our Roman ties etc.... but Stefan, king of Albania :) maybe disliked whole deal so some tensions and further popes favorising him and overtake of Hungarian throne etc. and wanting to confirm that "Franks are first violina", so he changes name from Stefan characteristic to our rulers to Charles, quite clear :) so we found ourselves in position to turn to Germans again.... lovely subjects, almost romantic - today we are distant memever of Frankokratia but less stable unlike Albania where 0.02 of population share values and language with Franks..... think about it all and write me your impresions and what you get out of it, if maybe hear story for first time
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photo from Wiki (Eng) article "sack of Constant", mosaic from one (it's Italy, birthplace of man who made our "horse" statue etc) church in Ravenna.... noticed instantly, hence guessing that 821 years later historians still have own dilemmas and interpret it wrongly, below picture text goes "siege of Constant? Cutting off hands?" ;)

NO, it was not "cutting off hands" by anyone and as i see responsible people have no idea ) i'll help... people in the left are obviously Byzantines, you can tell that by their "party" hats... man on the right is obviously Frank, can tell that by his armor. So he is not any "cutting off hands" and it is shameful that Wiki even ask such question :) nor crusaders, Vinegians and French did such barbaric acts.... it depicts, to help historians, obvious Byzantine prisoners taken by Franks and destined to Bari and Serbia, to be used as "sklaves" in second and sold to some caliphate infirst case :) ....while i joke, serious about this mosaic and all, simply crusaders weren't such barbaric and their ties with us, prove that so it is idiotic to think photo is about that ;

something else for lovers to share.... maybe you remember that i "investigated" long, long ago that whole "Marica battle", Vukashin death and all.... found that some area north-east of Hadrianople/Edirne bared name of "Srpsindigi" (Serb dectruction) for long etc... sowhole story is question... through some talks you know what is interesting - some Greeks claim that city wasn't still in Turk possession in 1371, true or not i don't know... BUT, more interesting, through speculations, some guess that Vukashin was going more east not to city, further they say that there wasn't any battle at all, if we take some suspected site "of battle" in today Greece and not area i mentioned... so they speculate that Marica just flooded Vukashin army campduring night, it was some rainy time and similar and there was no Turks present at all, Vukashin survived but nonetheless lost big part of army, but was killed in return etc... interesting to say, could be even possible as great number of knights can't really "panic" for long, but if river flooded they can and would be disaster

other thing to mention is that some suspect, as he was remembered as hero in epic songs/poems, and it makes logically correct idea, that "prince" Marko (Vukashin's son) did not die in any battle in Romania as Turk vassal etc... he, like many Serbs lords (even during Kosano battle some Serb lords had to allow Osmans pass, BUT they did not take part in battle against Lazar and Vuk... and half of Europe)) after few battles could have same "deals" with sultans not to take part in any battles in Europe, just support eventually Turks in Asia etc.... simply, folk epic tradition would not take him as some epic hero if was the case... often Byzantine, Bulgarian etc. sources masked some things and we all bought it :) ...not so important but could be true.... personally even doubt that some "George's miners" took part in siege of Constant 1453 etc, simply eastern fairytales or malitious change by lovely sources around us :) (Barbara bite it etc)) written later and if so country would not fall 5-6 years later etc... while not known, just to warn true lovers that many things we know about time from some 1370s till 1450s could be some fairytales and not correct at all ;... reconstructing it all, really from 8th century is tough job but manageable even roughly, who likes, hope i added ) we among greatest "victims", but not important..... :)

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History is - nice finish :) - not a "list of wishes" (if you try to "make-up" it) nor some set of personal wishes, if you are telling how things happened ;... Historians are slaves of sorces and their interpretation and they must use them, or it might be "totally unbased" and then fantasy - just problem is that sources might be total fantasy and then we get fantasy, not real picture... and why sometimes those who speculate are more right than historians etc etc. not need to waste words as things are pretty clear, but using other methods as logic and similar are worth... I say again it is not "list of wishes" it is neutral or fair representation while i used a lot of humor.... instant remeber, you know when i joked about Bari - which Dushan gifted in more than one way - being "Teutonic center" and why interesting for him, well it is not a joke at all, it is true as he drafted a lot from them, under Ludwig's and Colonna blessing, they were all "more or less" patrons or mecenas of it :) and so on... while saying as fact, nobody says who was more right in far away times, while i mildly stink as leaning towards some side :lol but just representing some facts... reason why in (totally unimportant and BTW) why some (for example) Polish artists and similar (as opposed to others who liked us) were more "pro-somone else" in some later centuries is often bacause Serbs, due to history, were seen as one "pro ghibelline or pro German nation/tribe once"... and why even when Russian empresses and Austrian made maps of divide "Serbia belongs to west/others" was often concept etc etc etc. not important

so that 1204 is very interesting, albeit not for previous reasons as that nations were not involved then.... but for other reasons and I say priests, even high ranking ones, are not historians not politicians ; and have their world views or similar, sometimes biased and contrar to some civil sector etc... but really shortly, many things predated infamous "sack" nor it was even first try to take it... cute Vinegia was longer at odds with it and they tried before Enrico to attack it with fleet, but it failed and later one doge was killed by some rioters.... only one aspect, our wars with Byzant of course other and why "cuties defended us" :) and so on, so generally much deeper and longer issue, while event itself is also based on economical factors to extent etc.... but to me funny how it unfolded and our ties, which didn't give us some protection from western powers because "they were just haters" but liked us, for example :) (except Stefan Anjou of Albania, reluctantly and as last turned to SU "rugged")) lovely histories if you go into details...
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...and to repeat or say clearly - why we speculate or rather "see clearly" something about "Helen"... not because of Frankokratia or our ties or this - it is (quasi) important for continental history of time, plus people like it you know Templars, papal "skalp" pardon slap etc etc. why i mention Stefan/Charles so much in relation to us etc. And, finaly and most importantly, why Philip IV could theoretically be important for our events and why at all he was different/enigmatic as well as Miluten i.e. his mother for us.....

so again and short and why i (others) and French (maybe many French indeed) see "who was Helen".... as exactly Philip IV could also be direct tie with Miluten and he was different than his relative Charles in many ways, wanted to "finish some things" contrary to Charles ideas that dragging Sicilian (and Albania don't forget beating French took from Greeks there)), he was to extent continuation of Louis IX, in sense that he was someone "close yet different than Charles"... that's where we and "Helen" fit and it is about that if you understand and relatively know continental history of the times.... both Philip IV and Miluten are some line, not so different but yet different than Charles and miluten possibly contacts very much with our king, Philip takes the throne relatively soon after our king - they both represent "Louis IX counterbalance to Charles" (who dies around) etc. Maybe hard for me to explain, but hope i was able to lovers why is "enigma Helen" so interesting and why it fits.... so those are some "tied relatives" - Louis IX is grandad to both our and French king, and Philip "dictates" to Miluten "take a little of this, little Albania, arrest Michael VIII, finish it off, take some Byzant princess (but not one Miluten wanted)) and lets move to other things like templars, you sending me money :) and we take Jerusalem together to satisfy them all" ) etc. caricaturally but truely said etc. Really hope everyone understand this and where are basis of theories..... but funniest is that detail that "we" had to turn against pope that sainthooded their grandad :lol but he went wild as well as Sarra etc.

best i can offer as stories from our history who likes and again, i'm not sure i explained well, but hope i did - Philip IV and Miluten possibly or very really, felt obliged to repeat here without ususal jokes people to understand and as did not explain well whats behind Charles frequent mentions etc... other things i couldn't talk are less fun and maybe from newer history, but this is super and simply looks more truth than what we know... we and French are "old G(a)ulash" :) and while i say that "ghibelline" side was mainly our card of those eventful 100 years for us and continent (so since Rugged took throne till death of Dushan) and Miluten was to some extent central figure in many ways, as is Philip relatively - if they had same relationship with Louis IX, again super story and fit and why things went as they did.... but as i said most likely some tie between us and Franks could be traced to first Bulgar empire.... so ghibelline stand at peak but likely Capet (again i repeat ot was less valued female line and secret to all except maybe Capet family so nobody wrote about it and if did, Jacques would eat it)) moment was very important for state of times, maybe central.... and again i repeat why i repeat, but maybe did not explain well... nor again :)
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yeah, another small and cute detail for our and French history lovers (beside adding that Miluten also "copied Louis", what Philip did as well, in some Mongol policy etc among other things mentioned similar)..... one whole unit (Turkopiles etc. but totally unimportant as various peoples of ethnicity were used in the east, it is more interesting how many French and Italians our king had) comes to Miluten as sevice offer, relatively close after they took part in battle against French (and their glorious deaths) in Thessaly on Aragonese or more precize "Catalan company" side, before they took Athens duchy etc..... But, sympthomatic :) very soon after (Greeks added to it to make Miluten "bad guy" in source probably) our king "kills whole unit" after they realized who is he, or he who are they etc.... as said just cute detail, not crucial but worth knowing that even in there is small "fit" in some pro-French sentiment, for example said.... Miluten, nor Philip wanted, did not go to Thesally but "punched" some he could for French defeat.... but his grandson reached it and attacked Aragonese again etc

lovely details, very probable and strong arguments etc. it is important to compare our events with some wider policies and you get some idea.... they say, again for theme - that Gabriele (further knowing more as he beside being Italian also lived in France) intentionally repeated "Colonna, Colonna" in poem to us, just because as they were known as "old ghibellines" but also "Serb related family" in delicate moment of newer history :) like "what you say now Colonnas?" :) and so on... all lovely, hope it widened your knowledge, but awaiting something from you and what you like, maybe less known to us all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJO8zs1P8Y ....maybe already shared it here if yes pardon, total fantasy but like drammatic level of short "trailer" :yes French kings although known as great lovers, surely did not like when whole knightly ordr slept with their wives :)
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Philip IV was also - you know that joke but truth - unique and different as he was first king in a line of at least 3 French kings (maybe even 4 as Philip II "Augustanus" illnes wasn't specifically recorded) who did not die of dysentery/diarrhea, all 3 before him in some crusade :) ...so why he avoided idea of going to one or didn't prepare enough supplies of toilet paper yet, lovely. Instead he was killed by a wild boar during hunt, according to some rumors and Dante ;)

btw to say also, our rulers from dynasty had ill-fortune in sense of constant "fluctuations" in other powers they tried to tie with, including France... so Miluten and Philip and their "love story" ends exactly in year of death of Philip, no coincidence - in same year Clement also dies and Miluten is instantly under attack by his older-half brother, probably initiated by pro-papal and Hungarian-Anjou lines but he, unlike "Philip line or policy" pushes them back and even entered Belgrade etc.... but not only here, same factions maybe initiate "forced marriage" of Philip IV oldest son to one of Angevine Hungarian princess etc. (some mild inbreeding indeed) despite he having wife from before, which died in prison.... so there was some clear struggle in France, which also fits to some mentioned interprets, just to say... but generally my notion was that our rulers had that "bad luck" with allies as their policies fluctuated or changed, really from Venice to France and Germany - so only constant during whole Nemanjic line is Colonna family and why so strong tie ; ...even last two non-dynasty despots continued tie with them, so we kept clear and stable policy... really is interesting from our side what exactly happened with "Dechanski" and his son, as SU III D in his story combines elements of both Enrico and Louis so quasi blindness and huge piety, often prayers etc etc.... maybe Dushan had enough of both "fluctuating" Venetians and French and their changes of course and said "Germans again!" ) (Andrea takes second most important position inVenice same year, so sooooo many years are in cute "coincidences") But, and repeat, to really understand it - it is more likely that Colonnas and Roman events, new papacy influenced by many Orsini as enemy, made decision for us than to look into some reasons between our son and father, for Ludwig policy shift in concrete... it was strong decision to make new/renewed alliance with German emperors and that "French crown couldn't be trusted nor is stable enough" and that papacy dictates changes there again, "Angevine" and "Louis" factions are in struggle (which beside other things led to end of direct Capet line)

but again i say Philip IV is something else in concrete time (while we also cooped nice with Louis VIII and rest) and should be singled out, probably more closer to our rulers than Hungarian of the time, as explained but "putch" came fastly after his death etc.... something happened in France with that Stefan ) and Louis rift or "separation" and is really interesting for detectives, maybe i really "by gut" explained it right as "Stefan's clear unsatisfaction with Capet marriage to us and half-Dandolo" (among other things) despite our connections helping France to previously expand during Louis VIII etc. and leaving papacy outside of our deals etc etc. Again i hope this is understood by lovers, while i have no problems to explain it further and compare things and dates (like that 1314 here) just for you to get clearer picture if like... i mean i'm also investigating it independently so no trouble with some posts, just sometimes :) and running out of subjects..... but nobody can say that this isn't lovely historical story and we in some epicentre helping even France to expand via Honorius, helping Philip, helping Ludwig to crowns via Sarra etc etc. and two French royal brothers and their factions fight because of us :) ...as probably said, 3 families (while French only in "direct" form) all disappear in space of some 3 decades as rulers and space is opened for humanism in Italy Europe and around the world :lol .... few decades after our annex, wars for Italy start, because everyone knew that after our fall principessa lost its strongest ally and is easy target, alas..... even Colonnas are forced into some deal in Rome as they lost strongest ally as well :) ....now your turn to say something ))
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Geanakoplos, while admitting that Michael was in contact with the leaders of the revolt beforehand, asserts "that Michael Palaeologus, on his part, had nothing to do with the incident at the church of Santo Spirito is beyond question."
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laughing unimportantly, are kir Geanakoplos (American historian btw, of course of Greek origin) trying to say that Michael had nothing to do with "French soldiers touching breasts of Sicilian woman" ;) ....always surpised by some historians but best is line of "Michael autobiography writen years later" while man died few months after Sicily events, doubt he eveb had time to write own testament, let alone such eventful "memoirs" including retake of Constant all events, Lyon, all diplomacy and of course Sicily,Crete etc :) ...so while i singled Geanakoplos line more for humor, real amazement comes from mister Runciman, Anglo-Saxon i.e. English author (so they quasi have some level) and how they did not see some obvious things or bought some dubious..... so i and some Greeks objectively suspect that Michael VIII lived longer than stated and that Miluten's "precise strike" without intention to conquer to Kavala was exactly to finally surround and defeat Michael, but alas where is source etc... Kavala is since Augustanus and nearby battle that defeated Casius (later Ali)) and Brutus (from Servilia gens, adopted) place where you gather forces or use it as base, Greeks know - what would be other startegic gain for Miluten to go there and not, for example but again we can only speculate, but hope it is fun and interesting. Our figures and events suffered from "yummy docs" sindrome on both east and west :) But maybe is funnier this way - Michael as well Raniero Dandolo were just vampires, lived years after death etc. What is speculated, while i said for Michael, to repeat for Raniero, Annas father, is that he might be main power behind 1204 (from less important Venetian side) but in some quasi source he died early, mot even knowing where and to whom Anna goes, while most likely he was there and lived almost to Rugged taking throne etc. Anna directly sent by him, as gratitude while he never took the doge position etc.

generally you get, if you combine my few last posts, why Miluten was "so liked" by both westerners (Philip, Colonnas, many Italians and French etc etc) and also by many Greeks, even Bulgars, "holy king" name etc. As he maybe dealt with Michael, disliked by both in many ways - while he did not act in defense of any of them :) and maybe just listened to Philip )...lovely subject however you approach it and with reason one of favs - doubtful that we will ever have truth about all 150 years, but at least we got a lot of fun and laugh with quasi interpretations.... to say also for end if wasn't clear from my last post - most likely Philip IV had nothing to do with that "Nestle affair" :) and he died very soon after it, already pushed by some, maybe also under suspicious circumstances and he did not order any brutality nor imprisonment of his daughter-in-law etc etc. He would also most likely never agree with further marriages of his sons to Anjou-Hungarian princesses (even English had some role in all etc. but don't blame English) as seen... so in a way, Philip indeed in finale maybe victim of some plot, but pro-Nemanide king and deserves statue here :p

for humor, Pricipessa-TV whole day about papas and elections, but when i ask simple quest of fav papa, no principessa answers me.... :)
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I'm guessing, considering all "controversies", that maybe whole facts about Angevine-Stefanide ) and Byzantine clashes in Albania are maybe later surfaced or something and are now known to us, but maybe not to earlier historians Wiki often quote unfortunately ;... so don't see what's problem or controversy at all as their mutual war and banging started before Sicilian Vespers and all, so in 1281 :) ...so talking today about did Michael had interest to see "French die" anywhere is a bit outdated or irrelevant if you get it...

something else but related and again to add to whole theme from our side and why i now lean towards Philip as "our guy" in complicated French royal relations ;.... there is also of course even "third guy" from there Miluten contacted and did some "only for your ears" pacts ) (not so much as it is known, for restoration of Ruma))... so it was Philip's brother also Charles (hope he wasn't born Stefan as well)) of Valois, whose line later continued "Valois" line of French kings etc, but as seen they are all not sodifferent and pretty much all inbred :) ...jokes aside :p what makes me prone that despite all, Miluten still wasn't so close with him, maybe even Philip, is that actually Clement and Philip IV acted more in Miluten's interest. Namely Charles Valois also made deals with Venice, concretely doge Gradenigo (Pietro) and he is known for probably making "anti-Miluten" laws probably aimed at stopping our finance of French and papal forces etc. However, soon later Clement turns against Venice, interdicts and excommunicate whole republic or city - which was in Milutens interest and so on and as i say is cute moment when "trio fantasticus" started to fight among themselves ) ....besides, Charles was still teen (Philip not much older) when Miluten started actions, so guess it was Stefan of Albania after all as first contact, but very soon - how i see - Miluten and "Helen" turned to real French king, Philip.... interpretation, as said i base it on moment that Charles Valois dealt with Gradenigo whome Miluten was in clash with, whose wife was Morosini like one woman they tried to tie with "anti-Miluten" factions in Rascia.... to me Philip IV, both our kings temporarily devaluated silver dinars etc, and it was Charles V. who needed Venice more, unlike Miluten and Philip.... as said lovely and one must mind delicate differences and clashes inside French royal family to maybe find "true connection"... both Miluten and Philip were maybe in some later stage reluctant to go into "Byzant crusade" unlike older and younger Charles and rest, more for precise actions and "looked to Jerusalem", at least to satisfy others - which is similar to Louis IX versus Stefan )

lovely, hope i'm adding to it but right now i finished ).... what you say my Joan?
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